Volume of a bubble rising in a lake

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The problem involves an air bubble rising from the bottom of a lake, where it experiences changes in pressure and temperature as it ascends. The subject area includes concepts from fluid mechanics and thermodynamics, particularly relating to gas laws and pressure changes in a fluid medium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of atmospheric pressure in determining the bubble's volume change as it rises. There is an exploration of the initial and final pressures acting on the bubble and how these relate to the volume change.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions regarding pressure and its impact on the volume of the bubble. Some have provided equations relating to the problem, while others are clarifying the role of atmospheric pressure in the context of the bubble's ascent.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the depth of the lake and the temperatures at the bottom and surface, which are relevant to the problem but not fully resolved in the discussion. The participants are navigating through the implications of these factors on the bubble's volume change.

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Homework Statement


An air bubble of volume 20 cm^3 is at the bottom of a lake 40 m deep, where the temperature is 4.0°C. The bubble rises to the surface, which is at a temperature of 20°C. Take the temperature of the bubble’s air to be the same as that of the surrounding water. Just as the bubble reaches the surface, what is its volume?

Homework Equations


PV=kT
ΔP=40ρg

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't understand how the answer doesn't depend on the atmospheric pressure. If the atmospheric pressure were greater, then wouldn't the change in volume be smaller?
 
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Nathanael said:
bottom of a lake 40 m deep,
Nathanael said:
rises to the surface
 
Right... But that only gives you the difference in pressure. Isn't the atmospheric pressure still relevant?
 
Yes. What are the initial and final pressures? Don't feel that adding the "stack" is an unjustified ad hoc step to take. Pressure is the result of the sum of all masses above a certain point x "g."
 
Initial pressure would be P_{atm}+40ρg (where ρ is the density of water) and the final pressure would be P_{atm}

This gives me a final volume of V_f=V_i(\frac{T_f}{T_i})(\frac{P_{atm}+40ρg}{P_{atm}})
 
That's the way to play it. Hopefully whoever wrote the problem remembered it the same way.
 

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