Need help finding a strange vector system expression.

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The problem involves a toy cart of mass M1 moving up a ramp at an angle θ, with a block of mass M2 resting on top of it. The task is to find an expression for the maximum tension T in the string that will prevent the block from sliding off the cart, considering the coefficient of static friction μ between the block and the cart.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the tension in the string and the forces acting on the block. There is an emphasis on understanding the conditions required for the block to remain stationary relative to the cart, including the role of static friction and the effects of acceleration.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the dynamics of the system. Some have suggested drawing free body diagrams (FBD) to clarify the forces at play, while others are questioning the assumptions about net forces and the role of acceleration in the context of static friction.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of clarity regarding the relevant equations and the overall setup of the problem, which is described as unusual. There is an acknowledgment that the variables are not explicitly provided, complicating the formulation of a solution.

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Homework Statement


A toy cart of mass M1 moves on frictionless wheels as it is pulled by a string under tension T. A block of mass M2 rests on top of the cart. The coefficient of static friction between the block and cart is μ. The cart is moving up a ramp at angle θ. Find an expression for the maximum tension, T, that will not cause the block to slide off the cart.

No variables given, obviously, since I need to simplify an expression

Homework Equations



Fs = m μ
Weight = m g
I don't know any others, this is the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to do the algebra to get an expression. I just don't know what formulas I can use to find the expression. I'm completely stumped. The entire setup with the cart is just odd to me, I've never seen anything like it. The tension in the string applies equally to the block on top of the cart yes? So I need to somehow find the maximum static friction force for the block?
 
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As long as the block M2 is not slipping the tension pulling the cart M1 will produce the same acceleration in both.

Draw an FBD for M2. What conditions must be met for it to remain non-slipping?
 
It has to have a net force of zero, yea?
 
Croix said:
It has to have a net force of zero, yea?

M2 will be accelerating along with the cart, so no, the net force won't be zero. But a certain pair of forces has to sum to zero.
 
The acceleration will equal the maximum static friction force.
 
Croix said:
The acceleration will equal the maximum static friction force.

Acceleration isn't a force, but you're starting to get the picture.

Keep in mind that acceleration isn't the only thing creating a force on the block. The cart is also traveling up a slope so gravity gets involved in the friction battle. :wink:
 

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