Need help finding the buoyant force in this problem

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The problem involves calculating the buoyant force required for a raft designed by a team of scouts to safely cross a lake. The context includes the dimensions and density of wooden beams used in the raft, as well as the total mass of the scouts.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply equations related to forces acting on the raft, including gravitational and buoyant forces. There are questions about the algebraic manipulation of these equations and the interpretation of the results.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the algebraic steps involved in the calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct setup of the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome.

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Hi everyone,

This question is killing me, I don't know why but I just can't get my head around it.

Homework Statement



A team of 6 scouts plans to cross a lake on a raft they designed.

The scouts have wooden beams with an average density of .80. The beams measure 30cm x 30cm x 3m.

The average mass for the team members is 65kg, and for their safety, they want the top of the raft to be at least 3 cm above the surface of the water.

How many beams will they need to complete their project successfully?

Homework Equations



I'm not sure if I need to post them. f = mg is the main one.

The Attempt at a Solution



My tutor gave me this method:

Fg(scouts) = 65 x 9.8 x 6

V(beam) = .27m^3

Fg(beam) = 800 x 9.8 x .27

Fg(raft) = Fg(beam) x n [n = number of beams]

Fg(total) = Fg(scouts) + Fg(raft)

Fb = 2381 x n

Fb = Fg(total) = Fg(scouts) + Fg(raft).

Solve for n.

Now I'm just a lowly high school student so my math isn't all that great, and when I do this I end up getting 0. The equation as I write it out is

2381n = -3822 - 2116n = -3822 - 2116n

6713n = -3822 +3822

6713n = 0

Could anyone help me out with this question?

Thanks,

Kevin
 
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Your algebra has taken a wrong turn.

Fg = -3822 - 2116n

Fb = 2381n

From statics, we know that Fb + Fg = 0 (there is no net force on a floating object)

so, 2381n -3822 - 2116n = 0

Solve for n
 
TheKShaugh said:
2381n = -3822 - 2116n = -3822 - 2116n

6713n = -3822 +3822
Try that step again.
 
SteamKing said:
Your algebra has taken a wrong turn.

Fg = -3822 - 2116n

Fb = 2381n

From statics, we know that Fb + Fg = 0 (there is no net force on a floating object)

so, 2381n -3822 - 2116n = 0

Solve for n

Thank you. You truly are the king of kings.
 

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