Need help interpretting OpAmp spec, supply voltage

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of operational amplifier (OpAmp) specifications, particularly concerning supply voltage limits as stated in the datasheet. Participants explore the implications of these specifications for powering the OpAmp in different configurations, including single-ended and split supply scenarios. The conversation also touches on practical applications involving voltage measurement and signal conditioning for a motor using an ADC.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether the maximum voltage of +/-18V refers to the individual supply voltages or the total voltage difference between Vs+ and Vs-.
  • One participant suggests that the OpAmp can be powered with either a +18V and -18V supply or a 36V single-ended power supply, questioning how to establish a mid-rail reference voltage.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the concept of a mid-rail reference voltage and shares their intended application involving measuring motor voltage with an ADC, detailing their approach to voltage division and zener diode usage.
  • One participant proposes changing resistor values in their circuit design to avoid biasing the zener diode and ensure proper gain.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of using the OpAmp with a single supply, emphasizing the need for inputs and outputs to be kept away from the supply rails based on the datasheet specifications.
  • A participant acknowledges the feedback received and expresses intent to refine their design based on the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the OpAmp specifications or the viability of the proposed circuit designs. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate supply configurations and the implications for circuit performance.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the datasheet specifications, the need for a mid-rail reference voltage in certain configurations, and the implications of using a single supply versus split supplies. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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In the datasheet it says the voltage max is +/-18V.
Does this mean that the maximum on Vs+ is 18V, or that the maximum voltage between Vs+ and Vs- can be 18V, or 36V?

I want to power it with Vs+ at 36V and Vs- at 0 volts.The datasheet is here: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/opa627.pdf
 
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DragonPetter said:
In the datasheet it says the voltage max is +/-18V.
Does this mean that the maximum on Vs+ is 18V, or that the maximum voltage between Vs+ and Vs- can be 18V, or 36V?

I want to power it with Vs+ at 36V and Vs- at 0 volts.


The datasheet is here: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/opa627.pdf

Yes, it can be powered with a +18V and -18V supply, or your 36V single-ended power supply. How are you going to make your 18V mid-rail reference voltage?
 
berkeman said:
Yes, it can be powered with a +18V and -18V supply, or your 36V single-ended power supply. How are you going to make your 18V mid-rail reference voltage?

What do you mean by mid-rail reference voltage? I'm a little confused and worried now.

I attached a drawing of what I plan to do.
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I want to measure the voltage on a motor with an ADC in a microcontroller. The motor voltage ranges from 12V to 36V, and the ADC range is 3.3V to 0V. So I need to voltage divide the motor voltage before it goes to the ADC, but I only care about measuring 12V and up, so I use a zener to use my gain only from 10V to 36V to increase my resolution. I will use a more accurate zener than bzx84C family since the opamp currents might move around the zener knee, but I use it here just as the idea.

So I am hoping: Vout = 0.0091(Vmotor-10V)
 

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Also, I'm changing the 10k and 910 to 100k and 12.5k so that I don't unbias the zener and give the proper gain.
 
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DragonPetter said:
What do you mean by mid-rail reference voltage? I'm a little confused and worried now.

I attached a drawing of what I plan to do.


attachment.php?attachmentid=29951&stc=1&d=1290110264.jpg



I want to measure the voltage on a motor with an ADC in a microcontroller. The motor voltage ranges from 12V to 36V, and the ADC range is 3.3V to 0V. So I need to voltage divide the motor voltage before it goes to the ADC, but I only care about measuring 12V and up, so I use a zener to use my gain only from 10V to 36V to increase my resolution. I will use a more accurate zener than bzx84C family since the opamp currents might move around the zener knee, but I use it here just as the idea.

So I am hoping: Vout = 0.0091(Vmotor-10V)

Won't work. That opamp (as with many opamps) is designed to work with split supplies (or a single supply where the inputs and outputs are running mid-rail somehow, like with a mid-supply reference voltage).

Take a look at the input and output voltage specs in the table in the datasheet. With a +/-15V supply, the input and outputs can go to about +/-11V. That means that you need to keep the inputs and outputs at least 4V or so away from the rails. You cannot run this part (or many opamps) off of a single supply and use ground as a signal reference as shown in your schematic.
 
berkeman said:
Won't work. That opamp (as with many opamps) is designed to work with split supplies (or a single supply where the inputs and outputs are running mid-rail somehow, like with a mid-supply reference voltage).

Take a look at the input and output voltage specs in the table in the datasheet. With a +/-15V supply, the input and outputs can go to about +/-11V. That means that you need to keep the inputs and outputs at least 4V or so away from the rails. You cannot run this part (or many opamps) off of a single supply and use ground as a signal reference as shown in your schematic.

Ok, thank you very much Berkeman, Iæm glad I asked. Back to the drawing boards for me, but I will just try to refine this attempt. I'll show my new idea after some more work.
 

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