Need help to solve an oscillation problem.

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The discussion revolves around an oscillation problem involving a spring-mass system, where the goal is to determine the first time the mechanical energy equals the kinetic energy, given the position function x(t) = 12sin(5t + 3.5). The context includes concepts from harmonic motion and energy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between mechanical energy and kinetic energy, questioning the conditions under which potential energy is zero. There is an exploration of the timing of maximum kinetic energy and the implications of the position function.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the interpretation of the position function and the conditions for kinetic energy to be maximal. There is an acknowledgment of the need to find the first positive time when the position crosses zero, with suggestions to consider odd multiples of π.

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There is some ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the specific conditions for the time being sought, particularly whether it should be the first positive time. Participants are also addressing potential confusion over the notation used in the position function.

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Homework Statement


It's an oscillation problem. I have to find the FIRST time when the spring-mass system will have E (mechanical energy) = K (kinetic energy), if x(t)=12sin(5t+3,5). (t is time in seconds, x is lenghtof the system in cm).

Homework Equations


E=1/2kA^2
K= 1/2kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


What I think: If E = K, there is no potential energy (U). So we are searching the first time when K will be maximal. I know that Kmax in a simple harmonic motion is when V is max. So, in the trigonometry circle : at π and 2π, 3, 4 etc. Since Φ start at 3,5, little after π, i think that the first time will be at 2π rad (where K is max). But when i use 2π in the equation [ x(t)=12sin(5t+3,5)], i come up with a negative time...
Thanks for helping me sorting this out!
 
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Just to clarify, ## x(t)=12 \sin(5t+3.5) ## if I interpreted it correctly. (Europe sometimes uses a comma for the decimal point). ## \\ ## Do they want the first time that it occurs where ## t>0 ## ? The statement of the problem seems somewhat unclear.
 
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Your reasoning is fine. So it will be all kinetic energy at ##2\pi##, which means also at 0, ##\pm 2\pi##, ##\pm 4\pi##, etc. Nothing wrong with your reasoning except for your assumption that ##2\pi## had to be the first without examining the argument.

So find the first number of that form that gives a positive ##t##. It's not ##2\pi##, what's the next time where the function crosses 0?
 
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RPinPA said:
Your reasoning is fine. So it will be all kinetic energy at ##2\pi##, which means also at 0, ##\pm 2\pi##, ##\pm 4\pi##, etc. Nothing wrong with your reasoning except for your assumption that ##2\pi## had to be the first without examining the argument.

So find the first number of that form that gives a positive ##t##. It's not ##2\pi##, what's the next time where the function crosses 0?
Don't forget the odd multiples of ## \pi ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
Don't forget the odd multiples of ## \pi ##.
Oops, yes, you're right.

The simpler reasoning is this: The mechanical energy is all kinetic when the potential energy is 0. Since PE = ##(1/2)kx^2## then this happens when ##x = 0##. So you're looking for a ##t## value when ##x = 0##.
 
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Charles Link said:
Just to clarify, ## x(t)=12 \sin(5t+3.5) ## if I interpreted it correctly. (Europe sometimes uses a comma for the decimal point). ## \\ ## Do they want the first time that it occurs where ## t>0 ## ? The statement of the problem seems somewhat unclear.
Thanks Charles,
Yes, it's Φ = 3,5. The question is ''Find the 1st time when E=K.''
 
Kkurenai said:
when i use 2π in the equation [ x(t)=12sin(5t+3,5)], i come up with a negative time...
So try the next one.
 

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