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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific equation from an article related to Einstein's equation. Participants are attempting to clarify the mathematical transition within the equation, particularly using Taylor's theorem for expansion and the implications of certain terms.

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  • One participant seeks help with the transition in the equation from the article, indicating confusion about the mathematical steps involved.
  • Another participant introduces Taylor's theorem to explain the expansion of the function V(t) and suggests neglecting higher-order terms.
  • A different participant clarifies that the Taylor series should be centered around x = t, challenging the assumption that V(0) = 0, and emphasizes that the constant term should be V(t).
  • Further elaboration is provided on the expansion of V(t + δt) and the resulting expression for V(t + δt) - V(t), reinforcing the use of derivatives in the Taylor expansion.
  • One participant corrects their earlier statement regarding the initial condition, specifying that they meant to refer to the derivative at zero, not the function value itself.
  • Another participant acknowledges a lack of attention to the original attachment, indicating a realization that may affect their understanding of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of the initial conditions in the Taylor expansion and the interpretation of the equation. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the equation or the assumptions being made.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the initial conditions or the assumptions regarding the Taylor expansion. The discussion remains focused on the mathematical details without a definitive conclusion.

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Hi,

Im reading an article (The meaning of einstein's equation : http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node6a.html" )

and can't understand the development of one of the equations, the equation is attached as an image, I can't understand the transition from the left side of the equation to the middle.
Can anyone help?

Thanks.
 

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Taylor's theorem.

[tex]\delta V = V \left( t + \delta t \right) - V \left( t \right) = \dot{V} \left( t \right) \delta t + \frac{1}{2!} \ddot{V} \left( t \right) \left (\delta t \right)^2 + \dots[/tex]

Neglect higher order terms, take [itex]t = 0[/itex], and use [itex]V \left( 0 \right) = 0[/itex].
 
In other words, that is expanding V(x) in a Taylor's series about x= t, then replacing x by [itex]t+ \delta t[/itex].

Actually, I don't believe they are taking "V(0)= 0". Since they are taking the Taylor's series about x= t, the constant term would be V(t) and they are subtracting off V(t).

[tex]V(x)= V(t)+ \dot{V}(t)(x- t)+ \frac{\ddot{V}(x- t)^2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/itex] <br /> [tex]V(t+ \delta t)= V(t)+ \dot{V}(t)(t+ \delta t- t)+ \frac{\ddot{V}(t)}{2}(t+ \delta t- t)^2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex]<br /> [tex]V(t+\delta t)= V(t)+ \dot{V}(t)\delta t+ \frac{\ddot{V}(t)}{2}(\delta t)^2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex]<br /> so <br /> [tex]V(t+ \delta t)- V(t)= \dot{V}(t)\delta t+ \frac{\ddot{V}(t)}{2}(\delta t)^2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex][/tex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Actually, I don't believe they are taking "V(0)= 0".

Oops, I meant to write

[tex]\dot{V} \left( 0 \right) = 0.[/tex]

From the link given in the original post:

"Fill the interior of the sphere with test particles, all of which are initially at rest relative to the planet. ... Thus, after a short time [itex]\delta t[/itex] has elapsed, ..."
 
Oh, I see. I hadn't looked at the original attachment.
 

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