Need Help Understanding Trig Functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding trigonometric functions, particularly how to compute the sine, cosine, and tangent of angles that are not commonly memorized, such as 37 or 98 degrees. Participants explore the underlying principles of trigonometric ratios and the methods used by calculators to derive these values.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand trigonometric functions beyond memorization, questioning how calculators compute values for angles like 37 or 98 degrees.
  • Another participant suggests that the definitions of sine, cosine, and tangent remain consistent regardless of the angle, referencing the 3-4-5 triangle as an example.
  • A different participant proposes using the Taylor series as a method to approximate trigonometric functions, noting that more terms lead to greater accuracy in the approximation.
  • Another participant mentions the empirical history of trigonometry, indicating that values were historically derived from measuring triangles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to understanding trigonometric functions or the methods calculators use, with multiple perspectives presented on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the depth of mathematical concepts, such as the specifics of the Cordic method or the Taylor series, which are not fully explored. Additionally, the discussion does not resolve how these methods relate to practical applications in calculating trigonometric values.

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All my life I've understood Trig Functions as ratios of sides of a triangles. With this understanding I have been able to get the ratios for simple triangles like 30, 45, etc... since my teachers made me memorize the sides of it...

But now I'd like to know how would you find the ratio of a triangle with an messy angle such as 37 or 98? Most teachers would tell me to punch it in the calculator... but I'd like to have a better understanding than just what my calculator tells me... So I guess what I should be asking is, what does a calculator do to solve the sin/cos/tan of 37,94, 261, etc..? How does it determine what the measurements of a triangle are to get the ratio? I wish to understand trig functions better than just soh/cah/toa and guesstimate.

I only know a little bit of calculus so a simple explanation, if possible, would greatly be appreciated.
 
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It's not clear what you are asking. If the "numbers" are messy, the meaning of sine, cosine, etc. is exactly what it is for a 3-4-5 right triangle.

If you are really asking how a calculator does those, check this, about the "Cordic" method:
http://www.dspguru.com/dsp/faqs/cordic
 
You could use something like the Taylor series to approximate it, it is a way to approximate functions such as sine as polynomials, the more terms of it you calculate, the more accurate your approximation will be. Obviously, a computer can do a very good approximation very fast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_series
 
I've always found the history of trigonometry to be more empirical in the sense that they found their required values by measuring different triangles
 

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