How do we define trigonometric functions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definitions of trigonometric functions, particularly how they extend beyond right triangles to angles greater than 90 degrees and their representation on the unit circle. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and their usefulness in various contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why trigonometric functions are defined for angles greater than 90 degrees and questions the utility of defining them in relation to the unit circle.
  • Another participant outlines three different versions of trigonometric functions: right-triangle functions, unit-circle functions, and analytic functions, highlighting their distinct definitions and domains.
  • A participant notes that while the right-triangle functions have practical applications, the rationale behind defining functions in terms of the unit circle remains unclear to them.
  • It is mentioned that the unit circle definition is not strictly necessary, but it provides a consistent framework for angles greater than 90 degrees while maintaining equivalence for angles less than 90 degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the rationale for defining trigonometric functions in terms of the unit circle, and multiple perspectives on the definitions and their implications remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the definitions of trigonometric functions depend on the context and the specific characteristics of the functions being discussed, which may lead to different interpretations and applications.

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I'm having a problem understanding exactly why trig functions are defined the way they are. Of course, the definition in terms of 0 to 90 degree angles within right triangles is easy: the functions just give the ratio of the sides given the angle. However, I don't understand how or why trig functions are defined for angles greater than 90 degrees. How does this relate to right angles? Why is it useful to define the trig functions as the points on the unit circle? That definition seems arbitrary, and not useful. Once we go beyond 90 degrees, why is the subject even called trigonometry, if it mostly only relates to the points on the unit circle? Why did we decide to define trig functions this way after defining them as ratios of the sides of right triangles? I hope that somebody can answer these question to put my mind at ease, because as of now, this doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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I made this post in a related topic a while ago. I think it's relevant here.


gopher_p said:
One thing that doesn't get sufficient coverage, in my opinion, is the fact that there are actually (at least) three different versions of the trigonometric functions;

There are right-triangle trig functions that are defined in terms of ratios of side lengths of right triangles. The arguments (domain) of these functions are angles; specifically angles between 0 and 90 degrees (whether or not we include 0 and 90 depends on how you want to define "right triangle"). As ratios of side lengths, the outputs (range) of the right-triangle trig functions are positive real numbers.

Then there are the "unit-circle" trig functions which are defined in terms of coordinates of points on the unit circle. The arguments of these functions are technically arc lengths, and the outputs are, again, real numbers; e.g. for the unit-circle version of ##\sin##, ##\sin a## is the ##y##-coordinate of the point on the unit circle that is ##a## counter-clockwise units around the circle.

Finally, there are the analytic trig functions, which have power series definitions. The domains and ranges of these functions are real (or complex) numbers. These are the functions of primary interest in a calculus course.

Now all of the versions of the trig functions can be understood in terms of the others - e.g. it is common for students to use "reference angles" and right-triangle trig functions to aid in their understanding of the unit-circle trig functions - so they are often considered to be the same. But I believe there is value in realizing that they're fundamentally different kinds of functions that happen to be comparable.

*Remark: It's reasonable to consider a fourth class of trig functions, which I would call the "rotational" trig functions, but one could argue that this class is the same as the "unit-circle" class.
 
gopher_p said:
I made this post in a related topic a while ago. I think it's relevant here.

Thank you, that helps a lot. Knowing that they are not fundamentally the same thing helps me understand why we define them the way we do. But following this, I have another question. What compelled us to define functions in terms of the unit circle? I see how the right-triangle defined functions have a lot of practical applicability, but I don't see the reason that went on to define trig functions in the way of the unit circle in the first place.
 
Technically it doesn't have to be a unit circle. But if it isn't the resulting definitions will require the radius of the circle to be considered. The reason for considering a definition in terms of a circle is that once you are considering angles greater than 90o then we want a definition that, for angles less than 90, is equivalent to the definitions in terms of right angled triangles.
 

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