Need Help with Elementary integral derivation.

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The discussion revolves around an integral found in Landau's Theoretical Physics, specifically related to determining potential energy from the period of oscillation. The integral in question is ∫1/√(E-u)(σ-E) dE, which the original poster believes should evaluate to π but is struggling to derive.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to solve the integral, including referencing an example from Wolfram Alpha. There is mention of changing variables to simplify the integral, and one participant suggests a specific substitution method to facilitate the evaluation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and questioning the validity of certain techniques, such as setting variables to zero within the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding variable substitution, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the integral's setup and the assumptions involved in the variable substitutions. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the legitimacy of certain methods suggested by others.

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Hello! :)

Having a hard time managing to solve ad integral in Landau Theoretical Physics Volume 1 page 28 (3rd edition) (Determination of the potential energy from the period of oscillation)

The integral is ∫1/√(E-u)(σ-E) with respect to dE between u and sigma. The book claims that the integral is elementary and should come to equal ∏, yet no matter how many different ways I have attempted this, I have drawn a blank. Any help on the correct derivation would be much appreciated.
 
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FriendlyHippo said:
Heres an example of this integral on wolfram-alpha. No explanation is given, and I just can't find a way of doing it.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+1/(sqrt(x-y)+*+sqrt(z-x))+dx+between+y+and+z

If 0 < a < b, let [tex]J(a,b) =\int_a^b \frac{1}{\sqrt{(x-a)(b-x)}}\, dx.[/tex] First change variables to y = x-a, so the integral runs from y = 0 to y = b' = b-a; now a is replaced by 0 and b is replaced by b'. Finally, let z = y/b'. Write out the z-integral and see what you get.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
now a is replaced by 0 and b is replaced by b'.

Allowing for this, the integral come out as expected, thanks. I have not come across this method for the quote above before. Could you possibly point me in the right direction as to why it is allowed. As setting something within the integral to zero seems like it could be a useful technique for other times, that I would like understand.

Thanks

Hippo
 

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