Need help with toy design (linear + radial bearing)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a toy that spins around a vertical shaft while also being able to move freely up and down. Participants explore various mechanical solutions for achieving this functionality, including the use of bearings and drive mechanisms.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Guy describes the need for a toy that spins around a vertical shaft and moves vertically while rotating, emphasizing the need for a lightweight and cost-effective solution.
  • Some participants suggest using keyways and prismatic shafts as potential solutions, noting that the best choice depends on specific application details.
  • Guy clarifies that the shaft is stationary and provides a sketch to illustrate the design, expressing uncertainty about which bearing to use for the rotating disc.
  • One participant proposes a friction drive mechanism where a loose component sits on a powered wheel or pulley, suggesting it as an easy solution for spinning the toy.
  • Another participant mentions a face gear drive as an alternative, providing a link to a related image for reference.
  • Guy seeks advice on where to purchase parts and how to facilitate the detachment of the rotating component, as well as recommendations for suitable bearings for linear and radial motion.
  • One participant suggests using a ball bearing race with the shaft as the inner surface, noting the potential need for a wider diameter shaft to accommodate the bearings.
  • Questions arise about the size of the toy and the power levels involved, with Guy responding that the axle is 8mm in diameter and the disc weighs 250 grams, powered by a simple DC motor.
  • Another participant encourages Guy to focus on designing the toy as desired without worrying about standard components initially.
  • One participant recommends exploring rapid prototyping and 3D printing as options for creating parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions, but no consensus is reached on a single solution or approach. Multiple competing views and methods are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the limitations of part making and the availability of stock components, indicating a need for further exploration in these areas.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in toy design, mechanical engineering, or those exploring practical applications of bearings and drive mechanisms may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

I'm building a toy and I'd like it to spin around a vertical shaft but also move freely up and down while it is rotating. Also, I'd like that the rotating body will get spinned using a gear which will be positioned in a fixed location on the shaft (at the bottom) while the rotating body should attach/detach from it.

Any idea how to achieve that?

Also, it needs to be as light and as cheap as possible.

Thanks,
Guy
 
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Simple solutions are keyways and prismatic shafts .

There are many other possibilities though - which is best depends on the details of the application .

Tell us a bit more about what you want to do
 
Hey, thanks for the fast reply.

One correction - the shaft isn't rotating (it's just a cylindrical rail).

I attached a quick sketch of what I need,

v9v9RBC.jpg
I don't know what bearing to use to for the rotating disc and also, the disc should build momentum somehow at the base and then be able to leave the base upwards.

Thanks,
Guy
 
So the rotating part of the toy gets spun up to speed when at the bottom of the axle and then detaches from the drive and rises freely up the axle .

Easiest solution is friction drive - loose component just sits on a powered wheel or pulley faced with something like soft rubber .
 
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Many thanks!

Nidum said:
So the rotating part of the toy gets spun up to speed when at the bottom of the axle and then detaches from the drive and rises freely up the axle .

Exactly.

Nidum said:
Easiest solution is friction drive - loose component just sits on a powered wheel or pulley faced with something like soft rubber .

Can you give me a direction on where to purchase the relevant parts?
How can it get detached in the easiest way?
What good bearings can I use for the linear+radial motion?
 
GetLastError said:
Hi,

I'm building a toy and I'd like it to spin around a vertical shaft but also move freely up and down while it is rotating. Also, I'd like that the rotating body will get spinned using a gear which will be positioned in a fixed location on the shaft (at the bottom) while the rotating body should attach/detach from it.

Any idea how to achieve that?

Also, it needs to be as light and as cheap as possible.

Thanks,
Guy
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Can you just use a ball bearing race where the inner surface is the shaft itself? You may need a wider diameter shaft to capture the ball bearings reliably...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...int-contact-bearing_din628_type-qj_180-ex.png
Four-point-contact-bearing_din628_type-qj_180-ex.png
 
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How big is toy ?

Any significant levels of power involved ?
 
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Thanks berkeman, yes I thought about it. The problem is that I'm very new to mechanical engineering. I learned how to design in solidworks and I think that I can make such part that fit a 8mm rod but I'm not sure what are the limitations of part making in general and who to order the parts from...

Nidum said:
How big is it ?

The axle is 8mm in diameter, the disc is about 20cm and it weighs 250 grams in total.

Nidum said:
Any significant levels of power involved ?

Not sure I understood the question, I'm going to boost it with a simple DC motor.

BTW the face gear looks like an excellent option, but it needs to fit the axle as well... will I have to design/make the part myself? or do you think there's a stock one.
 
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I suggest that you draw up your design to be exactly how you want it to be without initially worrying too much about using standard components .
 
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You should explore the subjects of rapid prototyping and 3d printing .

Have a look here
 
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Looks great, thanks!
 

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