Need input on junior/senior course plans

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The discussion revolves around course planning for a dual bachelor's degree in physics and mathematics at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign (UIUC). The participant outlines a proposed schedule for their junior and senior years, seeking feedback on the reasonableness of their course selections and any essential courses they may be missing.

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Main Points Raised

  • The participant plans to take a comprehensive set of physics and mathematics courses, including topics like quantum physics, electromagnetism, and differential equations.
  • Some participants note the absence of optics courses in the proposed schedule, suggesting that such courses are often not required for physics majors in the US but are typically available as electives.
  • There is a suggestion that group theory and complex analysis might be beneficial for the participant's future studies in physics.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of programming skills, particularly in C++, for a career in experimental particle physics.
  • Another participant mentions their current experience with an introductory optics course and expresses the realization of the importance of programming in physics research.
  • A suggestion is made to gain practical experience by working in an experimental particle physics lab to enhance programming skills and real-world understanding of the field.
  • The participant shares their upcoming internship at Fermilab, indicating a focus on gaining programming experience in accelerator engineering and technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the proposed schedule looks good, but there are multiple competing views regarding the necessity of optics courses and the importance of certain mathematical topics. The discussion remains unresolved on whether specific courses are essential for the participant's goals.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the credit transferability of certain courses between the physics and mathematics degrees, as well as the specific requirements for each degree. There are also varying opinions on the necessity of certain elective courses.

Who May Find This Useful

Students planning dual degrees in physics and mathematics, those interested in course selection for undergraduate physics programs, and individuals considering careers in experimental physics may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey everyone. I'm in my last semester of community college, and I'm getting ready to transfer to UIUC in the fall. I'm looking ahead to my courses for junior and senior years, and I'm wondering if what I've come up with is a reasonable goal.

I'm planning on doing a dual bachelor's in physics and math, and I will be transferring in as a junior. It's going to take 5 semesters after transferring to finish. I intend to go to grad school for physics; most likely something in the area of particle physics.

Fall 2015 -

PHYS 225 - Relativity and Math Applications (covers Special Relativity and mathematical methods in physics)
PHYS 325 - Classical Mechanics I
MATH 347 - Fundamental Mathematics (basically an intro to proof writing and upper level math)
MATH 416 - Abstract Linear Algebra
CS 101 - Intro Computing for Engineering and Science

Spring 2016 -

PHYS 326 - Classical Mechanics II
PHYS 435 - Electromagnetic Fields I
PHYS 401 - Classical Physics Lab
MATH 441 - Differential Equations
MATH 357 - Numerical Methods I (hybrid math/computer science course)

Summer 2016 -

MATH 461 - Probability Theory
PHIL 110 - World Religions

Fall 2016 -

PHYS 436 - Electromagnetic Fields II
PHYS 486 - Quantum Physics I
PHYS 419 - Space, Time, and Matter - ACP
MATH 442 - Introduction to Partial Differential Equations

Spring 2017 -

PHYS 427 - Thermal and Statistical Physics
PHYS 470 - Subatomic Physics
MATH 444 - Elementary Real Analysis
MATH 417 - Intro to Abstract Algebra I

Fall 2017 -

PHYS 487 - Quantum Physics II
PHYS 403 - Modern Experimental Physics
MATH 423 - Differential Geometry
MATH 448 - Complex VariablesThis covers the full physics curriculum, plus an elective (subatomic physics). The double bachelor's requires me to have 30 distinct credits for the second degree (math being the second degree), which is the number of credits listed for math courses here. A lower level Diff EQ course and an applied linear algebra course (as opposed to abstract linear algebra) are required for my physics degree. The higher level courses will cover the physics requirement, but I'm not sure if the credits for those two courses will count toward both degrees. In the event that they don't count toward it, I was thinking about adding these in Fall 2016 and Spring 2017:

MATH 450 - Numerical Analysis (hybrid math/computer science course)
MATH 432 - Set Theory and Topology

Even if I don't have to add two additional courses to get my 30 math credits, I may want to add these two simply because I'd like to take them. That's up in the air at this point though.

Does anyone have any input on my course selections? Does this look like a reasonable schedule? Are there any essential courses that I'm missing?
 
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Looks pretty good! I don't see any optics courses though, but I seem to remember hearing once that in the US they tend to not be offered as undergrad courses?

Also, it really depends on the kind of physics you want to do, but I regret not doing group theory or complex analysis in my physics degree.
 
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Looks pretty good! I don't see any optics courses though, but I seem to remember hearing once that in the US they tend to not be offered as undergrad courses?

Also, it really depends on the kind of physics you want to do, but I regret not doing group theory or complex analysis in my physics degree.

This.
 
Odds are you'll be an experimental particle physicist if you become a physicist at all, so more programming, especially C++, is probably better.
 
I'm actually covering a little bit of optics this semester (I'm in Physics III), but that's obviously at a much more introductory level. An upper level course in optics isn't typically a required course for a physics major in the US, although it is typically offered as an elective.

I'm taking a complex analysis course. It's called 'complex variables' instead, but covers the same topics. As I learn more about how the field of physics research actually works, I'm quickly realizing how important programming is going to be. I'm probably going to try to squeeze at least the Numerical Analysis course in. Although I'm wondering if there are other courses that I should really try to do that don't necessarily involve numerical computations as the main theme.
 
A handy strategy may be to try to get a position in an experimental particle physics lab, as you'll definitely learn how to program and it's probably the only way you can get real world experience with particle physics as an undergraduate.
 
I'm actually doing a Department of Energy internship at Fermilab this summer in Accelerator Engineering and Technology, so hopefully I get a bit of experience with programming there.
 

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