Need to find a base to a certain space

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The discussion revolves around a linear transformation applied to the space of continuous functions on the interval \([-π, π]\). The original poster is tasked with proving that the range of this transformation has finite dimension and identifying a suitable basis for it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses difficulty in starting the problem and questions how to form functions in the given space. Some participants suggest beginning with a known basis for the space. Others recall that functions can be represented as infinite sums of trigonometric functions, which leads to a discussion about the implications of this representation. There is also a focus on the projection of functions onto finite subspaces and the best approximation concepts.

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Participants have provided hints and guidance on exploring the transformation's effects on specific basis functions. There is a recognition that the dimension of the range may be low, and some participants have identified potential solutions. However, there remains uncertainty about the necessity of using infinite series representations, which has not been formally established in the context of the problem.

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There is mention of constraints regarding the material covered in the original poster's studies, specifically that the representation of continuous functions as infinite sums is not included in the current scope of their homework. This has led to some hesitance in applying certain concepts.

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Homework Statement


I'm probably incredibly rusty, but I can't seem to solve this.

I've been given the space V = C[-[itex]\pi,\pi[/itex]] (continous functions on the closed segment) with the next linear transformation:

T(f(x)) = g(x) = [itex]\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}[1+cos(x-t)]f(t)dt[/itex]

I ought to prove that T(V), the range of V, has a finite dimension, and find an appropriate basis.

Homework Equations



Can't really think of any.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm really simply blocked. How do I start getting the formation of functions in this space? Intuitively it seems like the addition of a certain number with a cos function, but I can't see any way to directly prove it, nor do I really have an obvious basis.

I'm sorry if it's dumb :-)

Thanks a lot,
Tomer.
 
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Hi Tomer! :smile:

Have you tried starting with a basis for V ?
 
It looks like V's dimension is infinite... I recall that functions on this segment can be described as infinite sums of trigonometric functions...
:-)
 
ok, start there :smile:
 
All I'm supposed to know up to now, if I'm not mistaken, is that the projection of a function f(x) on a subspace of V spanned by {1,sinx,sin2x,...sinnx,cosx,cos2x,...cosnx}, with the dimension of 2n+1, is the best approximation to f(x) in this subspace... (the "distance" between the two is the minimal)
When I said "I recall", I meant that I remember it from previous studies (Fourier series). But this is not what I'm rehearsing right now - I'm rehearsing some linear algebra, and I therefore I don't think I'm meant to show f(x) as an infinite series or something like that.

Any chance I'll get a thicker hint? :-)

And thanks for replying!
 
Tomer said:
All I'm supposed to know up to now, if I'm not mistaken, is that the projection of a function f(x) on a subspace of V spanned by {1,sinx,sin2x,...sinnx,cosx,cos2x,...cosnx}, with the dimension of 2n+1, is the best approximation to f(x) in this subspace... (the "distance" between the two is the minimal)

That's correct :smile:

{sin(nx)} and {cosnx} and {1} are a basis for V (they span V and they're linearly independent) …

so find T of each of them …

my guess is that you'll get only one or two independent results. :wink:
 
Ok, I know what you mean, but the thing is, the actual fact that I can write: f(x) = (sum of trigonometric functions) is based on material which I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to use here.
It is mentioned nowhere in the book that any continuous function in a closed segment can be represented as this sum. They only talk about approximations to finite subspaces, and mention that in the finite subspace spanned by {1,sinx,sin2x...sinnx,cosx,cos2x...cosnx} (finite!) the projection of f(x) on it would be the best approximation to f(x)...

I don't see how I can take it formally onwards. If you tell me I have to use the fact that any such function can be represented as an infinite sum, then I can solve it of course in no time.

Thanks and sorry for bugging :-)
 
Hi Tomer! :smile:

(sorry for not replying earlier :redface:)

Try it either for cos(nt) and sin(nt), or just for tn, to see what results you get …

you should find that the dimension (ie the number of independent solutions) is very low, and once you realize what the solutions are, you should be able to see a quick and simple way of proving it. :wink:

What solutions do you get? :smile:
 
The solutions I get are {1,sinx,cosx}. But I can't seem to be able to prove it without expanding f(x) as this infinite series which, as I've mentioned, I don't think I can. But maybe I'm wrong and I can? :)
 
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Tomer said:
The solutions I get are {1,sinx,cosx}.

That's what I got too. :smile:

ok, ignore the {1} for the moment …

what familiar equation has the general solution C1cosx + C2sinx ? :wink:
 
  • #11
f''(x) + f(x) = 0 ? :-)
 
  • #12
(just got up :zzz: …)

Yup! :smile:
Tomer said:
T(f(x)) = g(x) = [itex]\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}[1+cos(x-t)]f(t)dt[/itex]

ok, so what is g''(x) ? :wink:

(for a given f)
 
  • #13
I'd never manage to see it myself :-)
so for a given f, g(x) must be a solution of the equation: g''(x) - g(x) = C. (C is the integral of f from -pi to pi, and is a constant).
Therefore g has the form: g(x) = C1sinx + C2cosx + C3.
Which of course holds as a proof... correct? :-)

Thanks a lot!
 
  • #14
Tomer said:
Therefore g has the form: g(x) = C1sinx + C2cosx + C3.
Which of course holds as a proof... correct? :-)

Completely! :biggrin:

The moral of all this is:

in future similar questions, try differentiating wrt to x to get a simple equation

and more generally always try a few simple cases to see if you can see a pattern! :wink:
 
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Thanks a lot :-) I'll remember that!
 

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