Need to find a constant in an x-axis equation

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The problem involves a 2.2 kg particle moving along an x-axis under the influence of a variable force. The position of the particle is described by a polynomial equation in time, with a constant factor c that needs to be determined. The force acting on the particle is given as 36 N in the negative direction at a specific time.

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  • Participants discuss the need to derive the acceleration from the position function and relate it to the net force using Newton's second law. There are attempts to compute the second derivative of the position function, with some uncertainty about the application of differentiation rules.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the correctness of their derivatives and the implications of the negative force. Some have suggested revisiting the calculations based on the sign of the force, indicating a productive exploration of the problem's details.

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There is an emphasis on the time-dependent nature of the force due to the polynomial terms in the position function. Participants are also addressing potential errors in their calculations and interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A 2.2 kg particle moves along an x axis, being propelled by a variable force directed along that axis. Its position is given by x = 3.0 m + (4.0 m/s)t + ct2 - (2.6 m/s3)t3, with x in meters and t in seconds. The factor c is a constant. At t = 3.0 s, the force on the particle has a magnitude of 36 N and is in the negative direction of the axis. What is c?

Homework Equations



F = m*a

The Attempt at a Solution



I was given the hint: Acceleration is the second time derivative of the position function. The net force is related to the acceleration via Newton's second law.

I tried to take the 2nd derivative of the x equation, but I am not sure if I am doing it right because of all of the m's and m/s's, etc. along with the c and the t's.
I ended up getting 4+c*2t+t^2-7.8t^2 and then 2c-11.6t as my second derivative. (I had 2c-15.6t at first, but I think I had the product rule wrong in the first derivative then...)
I then solved a = 2c - 11.6(3) as 16.364 = 2c - 34.8, because 16.364 is the acceleration I found by dividing 36/2.2 (F/m). That solves for c as 25.58200. Apparently that is wrong, and I don't know why!
 
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Because the position has a t^3 term, the force must be time dependent. The t^2 term must arise from the constant part of the force, but you must use the t^3 term to isolate that part. The best way to do this is to derive this position function from Newton's law using a time-dependent force.
 
I think that I may have forgotten that the 36 N is negative...which would be -36/2.2...so -16.364 = 2c - 34.8 would give me a different c, which I believe may be correct.
 
mcdowellmg said:

Homework Statement



A 2.2 kg particle moves along an x axis, being propelled by a variable force directed along that axis. Its position is given by x = 3.0 m + (4.0 m/s)t + ct2 - (2.6 m/s3)t3, with x in meters and t in seconds. The factor c is a constant. At t = 3.0 s, the force on the particle has a magnitude of 36 N and is in the negative direction of the axis. What is c?

Homework Equations



F = m*a

The Attempt at a Solution



I was given the hint: Acceleration is the second time derivative of the position function. The net force is related to the acceleration via Newton's second law.

I tried to take the 2nd derivative of the x equation, but I am not sure if I am doing it right because of all of the m's and m/s's, etc. along with the c and the t's.
I ended up getting 4+c*2t+t^2-7.8t^2
I presume you mean you got this as the first derivative- the velocity. Is that "t^2" a typo? It shouldn't be there and its derivartive, 2t, does not appear in your second derivative.

and then 2c-11.6t as my second derivative. (I had 2c-15.6t at first, but I think I had the product rule wrong in the first derivative then...)
No, the derivative of x= 3.0 m + (4.0)t + ct^2 - (2.6)t^3 is dx/dt= 4+ 2ct- 7.8t^2 and the second derivative is d^2x/dt^2= 2\c- 15.6t. 2(7.8)= 15.8. Even if that "t^2" in the first derivative was intended and you included it with "-7.8t^2" to get "-6.8t^2" the dervative would be "-13.6t", not "-11.6t".

I then solved a = 2c - 11.6(3) as 16.364 = 2c - 34.8, because 16.364 is the acceleration I found by dividing 36/2.2 (F/m). That solves for c as 25.58200. Apparently that is wrong, and I don't know why!
You should have 2c- 15.6(3)= 2c- 46.8= (-36/2.2)= -16.36 to two decimal places.
 

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