Need to verify some proof involving Green's function.

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The discussion focuses on verifying a proof involving Green's function, specifically the symmetry property G(x, x0) = G(x0, x). The user outlines their approach, which involves defining regions and surfaces to analyze the limits of integrals related to the Green's function. They express challenges in finding assistance in advanced topics and mention previous attempts to seek help in other forums without success. A suggestion is made to refer to a book on classical electromagnetism for a simpler proof of symmetry. The user concludes by sharing their experience with purchasing the recommended book, highlighting the difficulty in obtaining help for complex subjects.
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This is not homework. This is actually a subset of proofing G(\vec{x},\vec{x_0}) = G(\vec{x_0},\vec{x}) where G is the Green's function. I don't want to present the whole thing, just the part I have question.

Let D be an open solid region with surface S. Let P \;=\; G(\vec{x},\vec{a}) \;\hbox{ and } P \;=\; G(\vec{x},\vec{b}) \; where both are green function at point a and b resp. inside D. This means Q is defined at point a ( harmonic at point a ) and P is defined at point b. Both P and Q are defined in D except at a and b resp. Both equal to zero on surface S.

Green function defined:

G(\vec{x},\vec{x_0}) \;=\; v + H \;\hbox { where } \;v=\; \frac{-1}{4\pi|\vec{x}-\vec{x_0|}} \;\hbox{ and }\; H \;\hbox { is a harmonic function in D and on S where }\; G(\vec{x},\vec{x_0}) \;=\; 0 \;\hbox { on D}.

In this proof, I need to make two spherical cutout each with radius =\epsilon with center at a and b. I call the spherical region of this two sphere A and B resp and the surface S_a \;&\; S_b resp. Then I let D_{\epsilon} = D -A-B so both P and Q are defined and harmonic in D_{\epsilon}.



Now come to the step I need to verify:

I want to prove:

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} \int\int_{S_a} P\frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} \;-\; Q\frac{\partial P}{\partial n} \;dS \;=\; ^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} \int\int_{S_a} v\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon^2} \;dS



This is my work:

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} \int\int_{S_a} P\frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} \;-\; Q\frac{\partial P}{\partial n} \;dS \;=\; ^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} \int\int_{S_a} (-\frac{1}{4\pi r} + H)\frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} \;-\; Q\frac{\partial }{\partial n}(-\frac{1}{4\pi r} + H) \;dS (1)

Where:

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0}\; v\; =\; \frac{-1}{4\pi |\vec{x}-\vec{a}|} \;=\; ^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} \;\frac{-1}{4\pi r} \;. in sphere region A.

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0}( P=v+H )\;=\; ^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} (\frac{-1}{4\pi r } + H)


Form (1) I break into 3 parts:

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} [ \int\int_{S_a} -\frac{1}{4\pi r}\frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} dS + \int\int_{S_a} (H\frac{\partial Q }{\partial n} \;-\; Q\frac{\partial H}{\partial n}) dS + \int\int_{S_a} Q \frac{\partial}{\partial n}(-\frac{1}{4\pi r}) \;dS]

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} [ \int\int_{S_a} -\frac{1}{4\pi r}\frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} dS \;=\; -\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon} \int\int_{S_a} \frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} dS \;=\; 0

Because Q is harmonic and \int\int_{S_a} \frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} dS \;=\; 0

From second identity:

\int\int_{S_a} (H\frac{\partial Q }{\partial n} \;-\; Q\frac{\partial H}{\partial n}) dS \;= \int\int\int_A (H\nabla^2 Q - Q\nabla^2 H) dV =0

because both H and Q are harmonic in A and on surface S_A.

Therefore.

^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0} \int\int_{S_a} P\frac{\partial Q}{\partial n} \;-\; Q\frac{\partial P}{\partial n} \;dS \;=\; ^{lim}_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0}\int\int_{S_a} Q \frac{\partial}{\partial n}(-\frac{1}{4\pi r}) \;dS = \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon^2} \int\int_{S_a} Q dS

The proof of the Strauss's book is very funky to put it politely. This is the way I proof it and please bare with the long explanation and tell me whether I am correct or not.

Thanks
Alan
 
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Anyone please?

Am I even posting in the correct sub-forum? I tried Green's function both in the Differential equation sub-forum and also in Advance Applied math in another forum with no response except a Math PHD advice to go to Electro-Dynamics type of section because PDE barely touch this.

Please advice.
Thanks
Alan
 
If all you need is a proof of the symmetry, there is a simple one, using the definition of the GF, in "Classical Eletromagnetism" by Franklin
 
Meir Achuz said:
If all you need is a proof of the symmetry, there is a simple one, using the definition of the GF, in "Classical Eletromagnetism" by Franklin

Thanks, I just bought it on Amazon. It is a really new book, used ones are just as expensive, cost me $80 big dollars!

Yes I can use one in between normal EM and Jackson book. It is getting hard to get help in these advanced topics.
 
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