Negative Pressure in a 10mL syringe containing 2.5mL water

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the pressure dynamics in a syringe containing water during a vacuum leak test for medical devices, specifically catheters. Participants explore the implications of water vapor pressure and how it affects the pressure readings when the syringe plunger is pulled back.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the pressure in the syringe when the plunger is pulled back to 10mL, considering the presence of water and the potential for vapor pressure to influence the readings.
  • Another participant suggests that 15 to 30 seconds is sufficient for the water vapor pressure to reach equilibrium.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether to use 0 mL or 3.5 mL as the initial volume in pressure calculations, with participants seeking clarification on how to incorporate vapor pressure into the final pressure achieved.
  • A participant requests a diagram to better understand the setup and the questions posed about pressure calculations.
  • One participant states that the pressure will be the equilibrium vapor pressure at the temperature of the liquid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of pressure, particularly regarding the initial volume and the role of vapor pressure. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the correct method to apply.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the appropriate initial volume to use in calculations and how to accurately factor in the vapor pressure of water. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Morgan0415
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Hello All,
We are trying to convert a vacuum leak test for medical devices (catheters) from a syringe based test to a pump based test.
The current guidelines call for purging air from the ID of the catheter under test with water (~1mL). The distal end of the catheter (tube) is blocked and the proximal end is attached to a 10mL syringe containing 2.5 mL water.
When the syringe plunger is pulled back to 10mL, what is the pressure in the syringe/catheter?

I assume it will change over time as the water evaporates but the test only lasts for 15-30 seconds.

Would the vapor pressure of the water come into play? Would it be 0 mmHg even with H2O present?

Thank you for any information you can provide.
Morgan
 
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15 to 30 sec is certainly long enough for the water vapor pressure to attain its equilibrium value.
 
Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately, it went to my company "clutter" box so sorry for my delay in replying.

So does that mean we should use 0 mL as initial volume (Vi) and add the vapor pressure of water to the final pressure (Pf) achieved (PiVi=PfVf)?

...or should we use 3.5mL as Vi and add the vapor pressure of water to Pf?

Thanks again.
 
Morgan0415 said:
Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately, it went to my company "clutter" box so sorry for my delay in replying.

So does that mean we should use 0 mL as initial volume (Vi) and add the vapor pressure of water to the final pressure (Pf) achieved (PiVi=PfVf)?

...or should we use 3.5mL as Vi and add the vapor pressure of water to Pf?

Thanks again.
I'm having trouble understanding your question(s). Would it be possible to provide a diagram (or diagrams). Thanks.
 
I hope this helps. We would like to know what the pressure is in the syringe on the right after the plunger is pulled back to 10mL. Please let me know if more info is needed. Thanks again.
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Total water volume = ~ 3.5mL (1mL in catheter and 2.5mL in 10mL syringe attached to catheter)
 
The pressure will be the equilibrium vapor pressure at the temperature of the liquid.
 
Thank you very much!
 

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