Negative values in calibration curve

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how to interpret and report negative values that arise from a calibration curve in the context of absorbance measurements. Participants explore the implications of non-zero intersections in calibration curves, particularly in relation to concentration values that may appear negative.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to explain negative values resulting from a non-zero intersection in a calibration curve.
  • Another participant suggests that negative values may indicate interference from other substances or calibration issues, but emphasizes that as long as the calibration curve is linear and measurements are within the tested range, it may be acceptable to use the data.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that a negative concentration reading indicates a problem, as concentrations cannot be negative, and stresses the importance of staying within the calibrated range.
  • Some participants highlight that calibration curves rarely intersect at the origin (0,0) and that background readings should be subtracted to avoid inaccuracies.
  • One participant introduces a mathematical approach to the problem, discussing the distribution of absorbance and the maximum likelihood estimator for concentration, while noting that complications may arise if the standard deviation depends on concentration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of negative values in calibration curves. While some agree on the potential causes of negative readings, there is no consensus on how to report or interpret these values accurately.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption that calibration curves are linear and the potential for interference from other substances. The discussion also highlights the complexity of statistical methods in interpreting absorbance data.

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Hi

I just wondering how to report negative values cuased by non-zero intersection.
For example, when the absorbance<0.037 in the figure, the concentration would be negative.

Thank you!
 

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What do you mean by "how to report"?
 
I mean how to explain
 
It is a rather common error. You may have some interference from other substances, you may have some substance present in the reagents used, you may have incorrectly calibrated spectrometer and so on. As long as the calibration curve is nicely linear and all measurements fall within the range covered, there is typically no problem with using it.
 
Can I see the concentration is zero when it becomes slightly negative
 
No, that would mean something went wrong. Note that you will be outside of the calibrated range, and I told you it is OK to use measurements that fall within the range tested.

Even if you have a plot that looks perfectly linear and looks like it crosses 0,0 point, but you did the calibration for 10..100 range (of whatever unit), extrapolating the calibration outside of the 10..100 and saying "my concentration was measured to be 1" would be generally speaking a bad practice. In some cases it can be acceptable, but it depends on the application.
 
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That's rather a question for the statistics forum than for the chemistry forum. Obviously a reading < 0.037 won't correspond to a negative concentration, simply because there can be no negative concentrations.
You should also never report an estimator without some confidence interval.
 
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Did you subtract out a background reading? Calibration curves almost never behave in a perfect manner where they intersect through 0,0. No instrument is perfect.
 
gravenewworld said:
Did you subtract out a background reading? Calibration curves almost never behave in a perfect manner where they intersect through 0,0. No instrument is perfect.

Of course he did. If not, there wouldn't be the parameter a for the curve.
One of the easiest ways to formulate the problem mathematically is the following.
The absorbance A is distributed (e.g. normally) around ##a+bc##, i.e.
##A\sim N(a+bc,\sigma)##. From the maximum likelihood principle we find c as that value which maximizes the probability to find the value of A actually measured under the constraint ##c\ge 0##.
That is ## \hat{c}=\mathrm{max}(0, (A-a)/b)##, where ##\hat{c} ## is the maximum likelihood estimator for c. If the standard deviation ## \sigma## depends on c, too, or if the distribution is not normal the result may be more complicated but the principle remains the same.
 

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