Net Potential Energy between two Adjacent Ions

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The discussion centers on calculating the net potential energy (E_N) between two adjacent ions using the formula E_N = -A/r + B/r^n, where A, B, and n are constants, and r is the interionic separation. Participants detail the process of finding the critical point by taking the derivative of E_N with respect to r, setting it to zero, and solving for r_0. The final expression for r_0 is derived as r_0 = (nB/A)^(1/(n-1)), leading to the calculation of E_0 by substituting r_0 back into the original energy equation.

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Homework Statement



The net energy is given by:

E_N=-\frac{A}{r}+\frac{B}{r^n}

where A, B , and n are constants and r is the interionic separation. Calculate E0 in terms of A, B, and n by the following procedure:

1. find dEN/dr
2. set this expression equal to zero and solve for r=ro
3. substitute ro back into the original equation



The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, this is more or less an algebra problem that I am stuck on:

E_N=-\frac{A}{r}+\frac{B}{r^n}

=-Ar^{-1}+Br^{-n}

\Rightarrow \frac{dE_N}{dr}=Ar^{-2}-nBr^{-n-1}

0=Ar^{-2}-nBr^{-n-1}

\Rightarrow 0=\frac{A}{r^2}-\frac{nB}{r^{n+1}}

\Rightarrow 0=\frac{Ar^{n+1}-nBr^2}{r^2*r^{n+1}}

\Rightarrow 0=Ar^{n+1}-nBr^2

Here is where my brain melted. Any blatant errors and/or hints?

Hmmm delicious hints :smile:
 
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factor it out:

0=r^2(Ar^{n-1}-nB)

r_0=0 is nonsense, so we have:

r_0^{n-1}=\frac{nB}{A}

Now plug this back, and you are done.. :D
 
Egads man! That was easy. Nice catch Thaakisfox

Except that r_0^{n-1}=\frac{nB}{A} is not what I plug back in; I still have to solve explicitly for r which means I need to take the (n-1)th root of nB/A
right?
 
What am I still missing here?

If:
r=(\frac{nB}{A})^{\frac{1}{n-1}}

then:

E_0=-\frac{A}{(\frac{nB}{A})^{\frac{1}{n-1}}}+\frac{B}{(\frac{nB}{A})^{\frac{n}{n-1}}}

which is just silly.
 
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I am thinking that this just does not clean up any better than this; i am not sure why I assumed that it would:confused:
 
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