Net Potential Energy between two Adjacent Ions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net potential energy between two adjacent ions, represented by the equation E_N=-\frac{A}{r}+\frac{B}{r^n}, where A, B, and n are constants and r is the interionic separation. Participants are exploring the process of finding the equilibrium position r_0 by differentiating the energy expression and setting the derivative to zero.

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the energy equation and setting the derivative to zero to find r_0. There are attempts to factor the resulting equation and solve for r_0, with some questioning the validity of their steps and the simplifications made. Others express uncertainty about the final form of the energy expression after substituting r_0 back into the original equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and checking each other's reasoning. There is recognition of the need to solve for r explicitly and some uncertainty about the simplification of the energy expression. No consensus has been reached on the final form of the solution.

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Participants are navigating through algebraic manipulations and expressing concerns about the complexity of the resulting expressions. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors and the challenge of simplifying the final result.

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Homework Statement



The net energy is given by:

E_N=-\frac{A}{r}+\frac{B}{r^n}

where A, B , and n are constants and r is the interionic separation. Calculate E0 in terms of A, B, and n by the following procedure:

1. find dEN/dr
2. set this expression equal to zero and solve for r=ro
3. substitute ro back into the original equation



The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, this is more or less an algebra problem that I am stuck on:

E_N=-\frac{A}{r}+\frac{B}{r^n}

=-Ar^{-1}+Br^{-n}

\Rightarrow \frac{dE_N}{dr}=Ar^{-2}-nBr^{-n-1}

0=Ar^{-2}-nBr^{-n-1}

\Rightarrow 0=\frac{A}{r^2}-\frac{nB}{r^{n+1}}

\Rightarrow 0=\frac{Ar^{n+1}-nBr^2}{r^2*r^{n+1}}

\Rightarrow 0=Ar^{n+1}-nBr^2

Here is where my brain melted. Any blatant errors and/or hints?

Hmmm delicious hints :smile:
 
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factor it out:

0=r^2(Ar^{n-1}-nB)

r_0=0 is nonsense, so we have:

r_0^{n-1}=\frac{nB}{A}

Now plug this back, and you are done.. :D
 
Egads man! That was easy. Nice catch Thaakisfox

Except that r_0^{n-1}=\frac{nB}{A} is not what I plug back in; I still have to solve explicitly for r which means I need to take the (n-1)th root of nB/A
right?
 
What am I still missing here?

If:
r=(\frac{nB}{A})^{\frac{1}{n-1}}

then:

E_0=-\frac{A}{(\frac{nB}{A})^{\frac{1}{n-1}}}+\frac{B}{(\frac{nB}{A})^{\frac{n}{n-1}}}

which is just silly.
 
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I am thinking that this just does not clean up any better than this; i am not sure why I assumed that it would:confused:
 
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