Neutrons and uncertainty principle

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Uncertainty Principle in the context of particle physics, specifically addressing the formation of neutrons from protons and electrons. The original poster attempts to show this arithmetically but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the Uncertainty Principle and question the assumptions regarding momentum and energy in the context of neutron formation. Some suggest considering the kinetic energy of the electron and the missing mass-energy in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the context and assumptions of the problem. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between mass differences and energy considerations, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of context provided in the original question and discuss the relevance of rest mass differences in the calculations related to the Uncertainty Principle.

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Homework Statement



Using the Uncertainty Principle show arithmetically that neutrons can't be formed by a proton and an electron.

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I can see that if neutrons were made out of a proton and an electron they would just attract each until they were together, and after that their momentums would be 0 and we could also know their position, by I don't know how to show it arithmetically.
 
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Uncertainy principle doesn't sound like doing a momentum balance.
What is the context of this exercise ? I mean, from the rest masses you miss 0.782 MeV/c2, so ΔEΔt > h/4π leaves you with a very short Δt, but who says the electron can't be shot at the proton with a hefty kinetic energy ?
 
BvU said:
Uncertainy principle doesn't sound like doing a momentum balance.
What is the context of this exercise ? I mean, from the rest masses you miss 0.782 MeV/c2, so ΔEΔt > h/4π leaves you with a very short Δt, but who says the electron can't be shot at the proton with a hefty kinetic energy ?

There is no context, that is the whole question. Its on a nuclear physics course, if that helps.

What do you mean yu miss 0.782 MeV/c2 from the masses?
 
if you look up p, n, e rest mass and calculate the difference n - p - e
 
BvU said:
if you look up p, n, e rest mass and calculate the difference n - p - e

Ah, I see. And that difference is related to ΔE?
 

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