New coordinates from the rotation of an axis

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the new coordinates of a point P(x,y) after rotating the x-y axis by an angle θ. Participants explore the implications of this transformation and the resulting formulas for the new coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive a formula for the new coordinates after rotation and seeks a simplified version. Some participants question the clarity and aesthetics of the resulting expressions, while others explore the differences between active and passive transformations in coordinate rotation.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in rewriting the derived formulas for clarity and have noted similarities to standard rotation formulas. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of sign differences in the formulas, with some guidance provided on the nature of transformations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's use of a figure to illustrate the problem, and the discussion includes references to the historical context of the thread, indicating that it has been active for several years.

rajeshmarndi
Messages
319
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


There is a point P(x,y) and now I rotate the x-y axis, say by θ degree. What will be the coordinates of P from this new axis.

I have google but found formula for new coordinates when the points is rotated by θ degree. So I tried my own. So is there other simplified formula for the above situation.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Plz see the attached figure.
AC-AD is the new axis and (x',y') are the new coordinates of point P.

y'=PC
cos θ= PC/PB = y'/PB
y'= PB cos θ

PB= y- BE
tan θ= BE/x , BE = x tanθ
PB = y - xtanθ
y'= (y- xtanθ) cosθ
= ycosθ - xsinθ --------------eq(1)x'= AB + BC
sinθ=BE/AB
AB=BE/sinθ, tanθ=BE/x
BE=xtanθ
AB=xtanθ/sinθ = x/cosθ

tanθ = BC/y'
BC= y'tanθ
= (ycosθ-xsinθ)tanθ , ( y' from eq(1) )
= ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
x' = AB + BC
= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ

So the new coordinates are
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
y'= ycosθ - xsinθ
 

Attachments

  • coordinates.jpg
    coordinates.jpg
    10.4 KB · Views: 651
Physics news on Phys.org
rajeshmarndi said:
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ

Can you think of a way of rewriting x(1/cosθ - sinθ tanθ) to a form which is slightly more pleasant to look at? Otherwise this formula is correct.
 
Orodruin said:
Can you think of a way of rewriting x(1/cosθ - sinθ tanθ) to a form which is slightly more pleasant to look at? Otherwise this formula is correct.
Thanks.
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
x'= x/cosθ - xsin2θ/cosθ + ysinθ
x'= x(1-sin2θ)/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= x(cos2θ/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= xcosθ + ysinθ

Now it is pleasant to look at.

This looks very much similar to, when a points is rotated by θ. The new coordinates are,

x' = x cos θ - y sin θ
y' = y cos θ + x sin θ

Only difference is the -/+ sign. Seems like the difference is because as we increase the θ(when a points is rotated), x' gets shorter. Thats just a guess with a first look.
 
Yes, the sign depends on the active-vs-passive transformation, i.e., if you rotate the points or the coordinate system.
 
rajeshmarndi said:
Thanks.
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
x'= x/cosθ - xsin2θ/cosθ + ysinθ
x'= x(1-sin2θ)/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= x(cos2θ/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= xcosθ + ysinθ

Now it is pleasant to look at.

This looks very much similar to, when a points is rotated by θ. The new coordinates are,

x' = x cos θ - y sin θ
y' = y cos θ + x sin θ

Only difference is the -/+ sign. Seems like the difference is because as we increase the θ(when a points is rotated), x' gets shorter. Thats just a guess with a first look.

If you fix the point and rotate the coordinate system, the new coordinates ##(x',y')## are given by
x&#039; = \cos(\theta) x + \sin(\theta) y \\<br /> y&#039; = -\sin(\theta) x + \cos(\theta) y<br />
If you fix the coordinate system and rotate the point, the new coordinates ##(x',y')## are given by
x&#039; = \cos(\theta) x - \sin(\theta) y\\<br /> y&#039; = \sin(\theta) x + \cos(\theta) y<br />
 
ycosθ-xsinθ=(ysinθ+xcosθ)^2
 
ND3 said:
ycosθ-xsinθ=(ysinθ+xcosθ)^2
Plug in the angle you are rotating by for new equation of parabola (counterclockwise is positive angle)
 
ND3 said:
Plug in the angle you are rotating by for new equation of parabola (counterclockwise is positive angle)
Hello, @ND3 . :welcome:

This thread is 3 & 1/2 years old.

Many of us have posted to a similarly old thread at one time or another.
 

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
5K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K