New coordinates from the rotation of an axis

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The discussion focuses on finding the new coordinates of a point P(x,y) after rotating the x-y axis by an angle θ. The user derives equations for the new coordinates, initially expressing them in a complex form before simplifying to x' = x cos θ + y sin θ and y' = -x sin θ + y cos θ. The difference in signs between the transformation of the point and the coordinate system is noted as a key distinction. The conversation also touches on the implications of active versus passive transformations in coordinate systems. Overall, the derived formulas provide a clearer understanding of how rotation affects point coordinates.
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Homework Statement


There is a point P(x,y) and now I rotate the x-y axis, say by θ degree. What will be the coordinates of P from this new axis.

I have google but found formula for new coordinates when the points is rotated by θ degree. So I tried my own. So is there other simplified formula for the above situation.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Plz see the attached figure.
AC-AD is the new axis and (x',y') are the new coordinates of point P.

y'=PC
cos θ= PC/PB = y'/PB
y'= PB cos θ

PB= y- BE
tan θ= BE/x , BE = x tanθ
PB = y - xtanθ
y'= (y- xtanθ) cosθ
= ycosθ - xsinθ --------------eq(1)x'= AB + BC
sinθ=BE/AB
AB=BE/sinθ, tanθ=BE/x
BE=xtanθ
AB=xtanθ/sinθ = x/cosθ

tanθ = BC/y'
BC= y'tanθ
= (ycosθ-xsinθ)tanθ , ( y' from eq(1) )
= ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
x' = AB + BC
= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ

So the new coordinates are
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
y'= ycosθ - xsinθ
 

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rajeshmarndi said:
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ

Can you think of a way of rewriting x(1/cosθ - sinθ tanθ) to a form which is slightly more pleasant to look at? Otherwise this formula is correct.
 
Orodruin said:
Can you think of a way of rewriting x(1/cosθ - sinθ tanθ) to a form which is slightly more pleasant to look at? Otherwise this formula is correct.
Thanks.
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
x'= x/cosθ - xsin2θ/cosθ + ysinθ
x'= x(1-sin2θ)/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= x(cos2θ/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= xcosθ + ysinθ

Now it is pleasant to look at.

This looks very much similar to, when a points is rotated by θ. The new coordinates are,

x' = x cos θ - y sin θ
y' = y cos θ + x sin θ

Only difference is the -/+ sign. Seems like the difference is because as we increase the θ(when a points is rotated), x' gets shorter. Thats just a guess with a first look.
 
Yes, the sign depends on the active-vs-passive transformation, i.e., if you rotate the points or the coordinate system.
 
rajeshmarndi said:
Thanks.
x'= x/cosθ + ysinθ - x sinθtanθ
x'= x/cosθ - xsin2θ/cosθ + ysinθ
x'= x(1-sin2θ)/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= x(cos2θ/cosθ) + ysinθ
x'= xcosθ + ysinθ

Now it is pleasant to look at.

This looks very much similar to, when a points is rotated by θ. The new coordinates are,

x' = x cos θ - y sin θ
y' = y cos θ + x sin θ

Only difference is the -/+ sign. Seems like the difference is because as we increase the θ(when a points is rotated), x' gets shorter. Thats just a guess with a first look.

If you fix the point and rotate the coordinate system, the new coordinates ##(x',y')## are given by
x&#039; = \cos(\theta) x + \sin(\theta) y \\<br /> y&#039; = -\sin(\theta) x + \cos(\theta) y<br />
If you fix the coordinate system and rotate the point, the new coordinates ##(x',y')## are given by
x&#039; = \cos(\theta) x - \sin(\theta) y\\<br /> y&#039; = \sin(\theta) x + \cos(\theta) y<br />
 
ycosθ-xsinθ=(ysinθ+xcosθ)^2
 
ND3 said:
ycosθ-xsinθ=(ysinθ+xcosθ)^2
Plug in the angle you are rotating by for new equation of parabola (counterclockwise is positive angle)
 
ND3 said:
Plug in the angle you are rotating by for new equation of parabola (counterclockwise is positive angle)
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