New effect of electromagnetism discovered?

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The discussion centers around the characterization of a recently reported phenomenon in electromagnetism, with participants debating whether it constitutes a "new effect" or simply a novel application of established principles within Maxwell's theory. The scope includes theoretical implications, applications, and experimental relevance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the classification of the phenomenon as a "new effect," suggesting it is well understood within Maxwell's theory.
  • Others propose that while the underlying physics may not be new, the application of this knowledge in a new experimental context is significant.
  • One participant highlights the relevance of this discovery in the context of the International Physics Olympiad, indicating its educational value.
  • There is a suggestion that the realization of this application took a long time, likening it to the concept of a "magnetic bottle" in three dimensions compared to the one-dimensional application discussed.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the original paper, noting that a solid understanding of classical electrodynamics is necessary to grasp the theory presented.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the phenomenon should be considered a new effect or merely a new application of existing principles. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the discovery.

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Participants express differing opinions on the novelty of the effect, with some emphasizing the established nature of the underlying physics and others focusing on the significance of the new application. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations of what constitutes a "new effect" in the context of established theories.

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Why should this be "a new effect"? It's all well understood within good old Maxwell's theory. So it's not new. Maybe the work done with this kind of trap is new, but not the basic principles. It would rather be a mindblowing discovery if something electromagnetical would be discovered that contradicts Maxwell's theory, which in its quantum version is among the most accurate ever discovered physical theories of mankind!
 
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I think it's more accurate to say a new application has been discovered, but not any new physics.

Pretty cool that this was the basis of an experimental exercise in the most recent International Physics Olympiad. :-)
 
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vanhees71 said:
Why should this be "a new effect"? It's all well understood within good old Maxwell's theory.
It only took 150 years to realize this new application. :-P The plausibility of the effect might have been well understood but it's applicability has finally been realized. Is this similar to a "magnetic bottle" in 3 dimensions as this is 1 dimension?
 
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Sure, I don't want to diminish the realization of this new kind of trap, but it's wrong to claim that it's a "new effect". The original paper by the authors is marvelous to read (also download the supplement):

http://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.4978876

You can understand the theory treated in this paper after a good course on classical electrodynamics (perhaps after reading a bit about the method of conformal mappings for 2D static em. fields).
 
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