New Visa Restrictions on International Students

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The discussion centers around the new visa restrictions imposed on international students by the administration, specifically focusing on the implications of limiting the visa term and the potential for public feedback against this ruling. Participants explore the context of previous rulings and the effectiveness of public comments in influencing policy.

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  • One participant questions the potential impact of public comments against the new policy, expressing skepticism about their effectiveness.
  • Another participant notes the deadline for submitting comments, indicating a time-sensitive aspect to the discussion.
  • Several participants provide advice on how to effectively communicate objections to the proposed rules, emphasizing the importance of specificity and understanding the language used in the proposals.
  • There is a suggestion to anticipate counterarguments when presenting objections, highlighting the need for a well-rounded approach to feedback.

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Participants express varying levels of concern about the new visa restrictions, with some offering advice on how to respond while others remain uncertain about the effectiveness of such responses. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best course of action or the potential outcomes of the proposed changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the proposed rules in detail and the potential biases in media reporting. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity surrounding the objections to the new visa policies, including specific concerns about the duration of visa terms and requirements for biometrics.

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What are your thoughts on this new ruling from the administration limiting the visa term for international students? Is there any way this can be stopped like the previous one was (about international students leaving the country if they take all in person classes during the fall)?

This is the CNN article about it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...inistration-international-students/index.html

The ruling itself with comments: https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=ICEB-2019-0006

While all of the comments (that I read) are against the new policy, I am not sure what difference they make.
 
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According to the posting, comment will be accepted until 25 Oct 2020.

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There was a submission portal associated with the URL you provided.

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Some advice:

1. When they say feedback is only available through the following channels, they really really mean it. Feedback through other channels will not just be ignored, it probably won't even be delivered to the decision-makers.

2. In the feedback, make sure that it is clear that you have read the proposed rules and can speak to them as they are not proposed, and not rely solely on what is published in the media or political outlets, which may be incorrect, oversimplified or biased. Use the same language as in the proposed rule: e.g. "Extension Of Status" and not "renewal".

3. Be specific about what you don't like and how it should be changed. Is the objection that there shouldn't be student visas at all and people should be free to come and study as they wish? Is the objection that biometrics would be required? Is the objection that four years is too short a time before requiring an Extension Of Status? Is the problem not with J-1's but with J-2? Whatever it is, be specific.

4. Anticipate objections and address them. If you say "4 years is too short before requiring an Extension Of Status" someone will say "yes, but Country X, Y and Z have shorter periods and they are fine". You shouldn't assume that the rule-making body is unaware of X, Y and Z. You should explain what is wrong with that argument.

5. Be to the point.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Some advice:

1. When they say feedback is only available through the following channels, they really really mean it. Feedback through other channels will not just be ignored, it probably won't even be delivered to the decision-makers.

2. In the feedback, make sure that it is clear that you have read the proposed rules and can speak to them as they are not proposed, and not rely solely on what is published in the media or political outlets, which may be incorrect, oversimplified or biased. Use the same language as in the proposed rule: e.g. "Extension Of Status" and not "renewal".

3. Be specific about what you don't like and how it should be changed. Is the objection that there shouldn't be student visas at all and people should be free to come and study as they wish? Is the objection that biometrics would be required? Is the objection that four years is too short a time before requiring an Extension Of Status? Is the problem not with J-1's but with J-2? Whatever it is, be specific.

4. Anticipate objections and address them. If you say "4 years is too short before requiring an Extension Of Status" someone will say "yes, but Country X, Y and Z have shorter periods and they are fine". You shouldn't assume that the rule-making body is unaware of X, Y and Z. You should explain what is wrong with that argument.

5. Be to the point.
That's very helpful, thank you so much! Can I run my comments by you before I submit them?
 

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