Newtonian gravity theory and energy

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The discussion revolves around a problem in gravitational physics, specifically Newtonian gravity, where a 1.0 kg object is released from rest at a height of 500 km above the Earth, and participants are exploring the calculation of its impact speed upon reaching the ground while ignoring air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, questioning the gravitational potential energy (GPE) reference point and its implications on the calculations. There are attempts to clarify the correct interpretation of the GPE at different positions relative to the Earth.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the gravitational potential energy reference point. Some participants have noted the need to reconsider the calculations based on the correct understanding of GPE, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a negative sign in the gravitational potential energy equation, and the assumption that GPE is zero at the center of the Earth is questioned. The original poster's calculation is noted to have neglected the GPE at the surface of the Earth, which is a critical aspect of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A 1.0kg object is released form rest 500km above the earth. What is its impact speed as it hits the ground? Ignore air resistance.

Homework Equations


##U_g = \frac{GmM_e}{r}##
##K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##
## \Delta U = - \Delta K##

The Attempt at a Solution


Using energy conservation I arrived at
##\frac{GmM_e}{r} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##, then ##v = sqrt{\frac{2GM_e}{r}}##

Plugging in values, ##v = \sqrt{\frac{2(6.67\times10^{-11})(5.98\times10^{24})}{(6.37\times10^6 +5.00\times10^5)}} = 10776 m/s##, never mind the significant figures.
This is rather far from the correct answer though, which is 3.02km/s.
 
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(According to your equation for the gravitational potential energy) is the GPE zero at the surface of Earth?

P.S.
There should be a negative sign on Ug
 
Nathanael said:
(According to your equation for the gravitational potential energy) is the GPE zero at the surface of Earth?
Forgot to put the negative sign in there. By the look of it the GPE is zero at the centre of the earth, which accounts for the excess energy, correct?
 
Solve for v
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Lord Anoobis said:
Forgot to put the negative sign in there. By the look of it the GPE is zero at the centre of the earth, which accounts for the excess energy, correct?
It has nothing to do with the center of the Earth.

You have two positions, 500km above the surface, and at the surface. The change in the GPE between these two positions is equal to the change in kinetic energy. Your calculation neglected the GPE at the surface of Earth.
(Your equation for the GPE takes the zero-potential to be at infinity, not at the surface.)
 
Engineer at UIC said:
Solve for v
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Nathanael said:
It has nothing to do with the center of the Earth.

You have two positions, 500km above the surface, and at the surface. The change in the GPE between these two positions is equal to the change in kinetic energy. Your calculation neglected the GPE at the surface of Earth.
(Your equation for the GPE takes the zero-potential to be at infinity, not at the surface.)
True. I got that mixed up. Problem solved and thanks for the input. I feel I need to have another closer look at this section though.
 

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