Newton's 2nd Law for a Particle in Uniform Circular motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a 4.0 kg object rotating in a horizontal circle, where participants are tasked with finding the tension in two strings attached to the object. The context includes concepts from Newton's second law and centripetal force in circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to sum forces in both the x and y directions, with some attempting to apply Newton's second law and centripetal force equations. There are questions about how to resolve tensions in the strings and the role of free body diagrams in visualizing the forces.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, including the importance of considering radial and vertical components of forces. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to calculate the tensions, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There are also discussions about the assumptions related to the angles and components of forces involved.

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1. A 4.0kg object is attached to a vertical rod by 2 strings. Object roatates in a horizontal circle at a constand speed 6.00 m/s. Find the tention in the upper and lower string. The strings are 2 meters long. the distance between the attachment points for each string is 3 meters.



2. F=ma=m(v^2/r)



3. I know that you must sum the forces in the x and y direction but can't seem to get rolling on this
 
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Yes, you must sum the forces from both strings. The sum of the forces is a net centripetal force. What does this mean it has to be equal to?

HINT: What are all centripetal forces equal to?
 
i don't know.
 
Draw a vector diagram...then split the tension into it's components.
 
Y direction
Fupper= T*cos(theta)+mg=0
Flower= T*cos(theta)-mg=0

yes no?
 
clintau said:
i don't know.

Yes, you do. You said it in your first post.

F_c=mv^2/r

So, if:

\Sigma F_{radial direction} = F_c and F_c=\frac{mv^2}{r} then...

Also,

You need to sum the radial components (x components) of the forces, since only those will contribute to the net centripetal force. To find these it would help to draw a free body diagram as clintau said. How far can you get now?
 
so Fc=4*6^2/r=109.09

That gives the force in the x direction...What about the Y?
 
how would you find the tensions in the strings?
 
\Sigma F_{vertical}=0
 
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Fcx is the T in the upper string. How do you get the T in the lower?

Tupper-mg? gives app 69N. Answer should be 56.2

what is wrong?
 
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clintau said:
Y direction
Fupper= T*cos(theta)+mg=0
Flower= T*cos(theta)-mg=0

yes no?

Instead of taking componets of tention on Y direction, take the component of mg along the tensions.
So T(upper) = T1 + mgcos(theta)
T(lower) = T2 - mgsin(theta)
Now T(upper), T(lower) and Fc are in equilibrium. Apply the Lami's theorem.
[T1 + mgcos(theta)]/sin(pi/2 + theta) = [T2 - mgsin(theta)]/sin(pi/2 + theta) = [mV^2/r]/sin(pi -2*theta).
Now solve for T1 and T2.
 

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