Newtons second law/friction problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving Newton's second law and friction, specifically focusing on a crate being dragged across a floor with an applied force at an angle. The problem includes calculating the minimum force required to overcome static friction and determining the initial acceleration of the crate.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of forces acting on the crate, including weight, static friction, and the components of the applied force. There are attempts to clarify how to account for the angle of the applied force and its components in the equations.

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Some participants are exploring the relationships between the forces and questioning how to isolate the unknown force in their equations. There is a recognition of confusion regarding the setup of the equations, but some guidance has been offered regarding the components of the applied force.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including specific values for mass, coefficients of friction, and the angle of the applied force. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of how to set up the equations based on these parameters.

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Homework Statement


A 68 kg crate is dragged across a floor by pulling on a rope attached to the crate and inclined 15 degrees above the horizontal.

(a) If the coefficient of static friction is .50, what minimum force magnitude is required from the rope to start the crate moving?
(b) If [tex]\mu[/tex]k=0.35, what is the magnitude of the initial acceleration of the crate?

Homework Equations


F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


part a:

I calculated the weight (9.8)(68 kg)=666N

then I got static friction: (666N)(.50)=333N

I substituted all the forces into Newtons second law and got:
ma=Normal+Gravity+Static+Applied force

after I plugged in the variables I got 0=333N + (force applied)(cosx)
(It's 0 because the box isn't moving so a=0)

when i solve for force i get 344.7N but the answer in the book is 300N
 
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The Force of the rope has 2 components.

The Y component is lightning the load of the 666 N by F*Sinθ . And it's F*Cosθ that is the force applied in the X direction to move it.

Try looking at what happens then if you account for that with θ = 15.
 
The force is unknown though. How can I find the components of the force if the magnitude is an unknown?
 
renob said:
The force is unknown though. How can I find the components of the force if the magnitude is an unknown?

But F is your only unknown.

Write out your equation and solve for F.

You know the components of F from θ = 15.
 
the original equation I had was 333N=Fcosx

would it be 333N=Fcosx + Fsinx?

sorry I'm very confused.
 
wait I see it now. thanks
 

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