Newton's third law problem/kinematics (Airboat problem/no friction)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving Newton's third law and kinematics, specifically analyzing the motion of an airboat that operates without friction. Participants explore the implications of the forces acting on the boat and the resulting acceleration and displacement over a minute.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's third law to determine the forces acting on the airboat and calculates the acceleration based on these forces. They express confusion over the resulting displacement calculation and question whether there is a simpler method to approach the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in discussing the calculations presented, with some noting the unrealistic nature of ignoring friction in a real-world scenario. There is acknowledgment of the high speeds that could be theoretically achieved under the given conditions, but no consensus on the calculations or methods has been reached.

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The problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which specifies ignoring friction and focuses on the theoretical aspects of the airboat's motion.

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Homework Statement
An airboat is a special type of boat that has a large fan mounted on the back instead of a motor that sits in the water. It is used in places where the water is shallow and weedy, so motors that stick down into the water cannot be used.

If the force of the fan pushes the air backwards with 150 N, what is the forward force of the air on the boat? If the mass of the boat is 220 kg, and you ignore friction between the boat and the water, find how far the boat will travel in the first minute.
Relevant Equations
Based on unit notes I used:
Faction= -Freaction
F=ma
D= v1∆t + 1/2 at^2
Thank you very much your time!

I first found the force of the air on the boat using the principle of Newton's third law and the fact that no friction is involved.

Faction= -Freaction
150 N backwards = -150 N backwards
150 N backwards = 150 N forward

I then sought to determine the acceleration of the boat forward so that I would have enough information to solve for how far the boat will travel in the first minute (displacement).

F =ma
150 N [forward[ = (220kg)(a [forward])
a = 150 N [forward] / 220kg
a= 0.68m/s^2 |forward|

After this I sought to determine how far the boat would travel in one minute using the kinematics equation D= v1∆t + 1/2 at^2 .
My answer seems far too high and I am a bit perplexed and also wondering if there is an easier equation I could apply

I assumed v1 would be 0 since the the equation seems to state that the boat is starting from rest.

D= v1∆t + 1/2 at^2 .
D = 0 + 1/2(0.68 m/s^2)(60sec)^2
D= (0.34)(3600)
D=1224 metes

Therefore the boat travels a total of 1224 metres in a minute.

I hope my the way I have written the equations is acceptable as they do not seem to directly copy and paste from equation editor on Microsoft word.

Again, thank you for your time and any help/guidance provided.
 
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Petronius said:
Homework Statement:: An airboat is a special type of boat that has a large fan mounted on the back instead of a motor that sits in the water. It is used in places where the water is shallow and weedy, so motors that stick down into the water cannot be used.

If the force of the fan pushes the air backwards with 150 N, what is the forward force of the air on the boat? If the mass of the boat is 220 kg, and you ignore friction between the boat and the water, find how far the boat will travel in the first minute.
Homework Equations:: Based on unit notes I used:
Faction= -Freaction
F=ma
D= v1∆t + 1/2 at^2

Thank you very much your time!

I first found the force of the air on the boat using the principle of Newton's third law and the fact that no friction is involved.

Faction= -Freaction
150 N backwards = -150 N backwards
150 N backwards = 150 N forward

I then sought to determine the acceleration of the boat forward so that I would have enough information to solve for how far the boat will travel in the first minute (displacement).

F =ma
150 N [forward[ = (220kg)(a [forward])
a = 150 N [forward] / 220kg
a= 0.68m/s^2 |forward|

After this I sought to determine how far the boat would travel in one minute using the kinematics equation D= v1∆t + 1/2 at^2 .
My answer seems far too high and I am a bit perplexed and also wondering if there is an easier equation I could apply

I assumed v1 would be 0 since the the equation seems to state that the boat is starting from rest.

D= v1∆t + 1/2 at^2 .
D = 0 + 1/2(0.68 m/s^2)(60sec)^2
D= (0.34)(3600)
D=1224 metes

Therefore the boat travels a total of 1224 metres in a minute.

I hope my the way I have written the equations is acceptable as they do not seem to directly copy and paste from equation editor on Microsoft word.

Again, thank you for your time and any help/guidance provided.

That looks right. Ignoring friction is perhaps not so realistic for a boat in the water! But that's the question setter's fault.
 
Thank you very much for your time. I suppose the lack of friction means this hypothetical airboat can reach some monstrous speeds.
 
Petronius said:
Thank you very much for your time. I suppose the lack of friction means this hypothetical airboat can reach some monstrous speeds.
Yes, exactly.
 

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