Nicholas Berg murdered by Americans?

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Rashad said:
Nick Berg was Jewish, so why exactly was he dropped off in hostile Arab territory? Oh yeah, the chair he sat in looks to me like the same chairs issued at Abu Ghraib
Make up your mind Rashad, did we American's throw Nick Berg to the lions or did we do the dirty deed ourselves.
 
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Can someone please work through Rashad's post point by point?
 
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Russ, maybe thats what I'm getting at. And Robert Zaleski, I'm afraid I don't know enough to make such an opinion. Adam, sorry for the horrible post, if someone could please make some sense of that and tell it in a way in which it may make sense...

~Rashad
 
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Rashad said:
Hmmm...let's begin with that I have no clue to who killed Nick Berg, but here's some questions that bring me doubt to the official story...

Well, Muslims. Killing innocent people is one of those danged things that get you into hell, not the Qur'an quote

"To kill one innocent man or woman is to kill all of humanity; to save one human is to save all of humanity."

And executions must be done after a proper trial, with credible witnesses, and a prayer for forgiveness must be given from the executioner. Well then hey, it's Muslims gone mad, angry at the Abu Ghraib torturings.

Over the past 3 years i have seen a constant stream of muslim extremists killing mostly civilians. The fact that the Quran forbids killing means nothing. Every religion has books that forbid killing, even atheists (the law). Also the majority of muslims has never read the Quran, which forbids many things the hadiths tell them to do.

I suppose that's possible, but still, why was Nick Berg imprisoned by coalition forces until his family sued Donald Rumsfeld?

I forgot why Berg was imprisoned, but being imprisoned is not something mysterious, especially not in a warzone.

As stated before - the orange jumpsuit is strange, I would expect Arab clothing to draw less suspicion, but it doesn't mean very much.

There is no need to dress him in arab clothing when the man is being held inside, guarded by a dozen terrorists. The argument you give here also applies for the CIA, KGB ,whoever you think staged the beheading. They would want to keep a low profile too.
The orange jumpsuit is all but strange seeing as they mentioned Abu ghraib, a prison.

Now, the way "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great) was proclaimed, in a seemingly strained attempt at Arabic doesn't persuade me that it was Arab Muslims. To improperly say "Allahu Akbar" in such a strained manner would sound akward or like a question, and to say in mockery or to ask "Is God Great?" is not the best thing to do, according to Islam.

I didnt find anything strange about the way they screamed Allahu akbar , (which means God is the greatest, not god is great). Considering they were sawing a mans head off i find their tone of voice particularly decent and following their hadiths and Quran. Nowhere did i hear them ASK allahu akbar

Nick Berg was Jewish, so why exactly was he dropped off in hostile Arab territory? Oh yeah, the chair he sat in looks to me like the same chairs issued at Abu Ghraib.

The Quran has a verse which states Christians and Jews are not the enemy, after all they worship the same god. The chair he sat in might be identical to Ghraib chairs. Combined with the orange prison outfit, and the mentioning of Abu Ghraib, it should become blindingly clear that they tried to mimic Abu Ghraib! Strange and mysterious, perhaps in another dimension. They explained this mystery themselves in the video of the beheading

W. Bush has said that these killers will be hunted down, but well, their faces were covered, and so we don't exactly know who they are. If they're Muslim, sorry buddy, you're condemned to hell. But the more I read on this, the more I doubt the Bush Administration's story, but whatever.

The website that posted the beheading and statements of Alquada, gave away the name of the beheader.
 
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Allahu akbar DOES mean god is great
 
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No, "Akbar" spelled "alef, kaf, baa, raa" in Arabic is the emphatic form of the root "kaaf, baa, raa" which means great. So, "Akbar" will mean greater or greatest.
The term Allahu akbar was probably used, in this case, because they wanted us to realize that in their opinion they were slaughtering an animal.

so called "muslim" extremist have been beheading innocents for quite awhile, they just did not have the ability/knowledge to spread the graphic pictures on the internet so it has often gone somewhat unnoticed by the general populace.
 
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In Algeria muslim fanatics made it a sport to behead as many innocents as possible, including small babies and pregnant women. They manage to behead several dozens each time they go on a rampage, which is (or was?) pretty often.
 
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Thanks for the insight, studentx. I agree, although the Qur'an says not to kill innocents, 'revenge' upon innocent men and women has been a sort of tradition in many Muslim tribes, although the form of revenge is quite senseless. So in your opinion, I (or anyone) should have no doubts concerning the official story of Nick Berg, i.e. that it was Zarqawi?
 
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Regardless of how improbabale it is that the CIA killed Berg, it is interesting to note that the terrorist on the right is wearing white sneakers, and that the guys whose wrists/hands are exposed look pretty caucasian. For the looking like they have caucasian skin, it could just be a trick of light, or they could be particularly light skinned arabs. Also, they all kinda look like they're wearing sweatshirts and sweatpants, and with the guy on the right, you can see the elastic part of his shirt around his wrist, just like alot of sweatshirts have.
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Rashad said:
So in your opinion, I (or anyone) should have no doubts concerning the official story of Nick Berg, i.e. that it was Zarqawi?

I dont see what is unbelievable about extremist muslims beheading Nick Berg. Especially since a few days ago they did the same to Paul Johnson and today are probably going to behead a Korean civilian. IMO there is no doubt muslim fanatics were behind Bergs beheading. I think you may doubt it after you condemned the action comitted by Islamic terrorists. Unfortunately most dont even get to the point of condemning it , they cant face the horrible truth that Americas enemy is worse than America.

wasteofo2 said:
Regardless of how improbabale it is that the CIA killed Berg, it is interesting to note that the terrorist on the right is wearing white sneakers, and that the guys whose wrists/hands are exposed look pretty caucasian. For the looking like they have caucasian skin, it could just be a trick of light, or they could be particularly light skinned arabs. Also, they all kinda look like they're wearing sweatshirts and sweatpants, and with the guy on the right, you can see the elastic part of his shirt around his wrist, just like alot of sweatshirts have.

Sneakers are for sale all around the globe, so are sweatshirts and pants. Not all muslims are arabs, there are plenty of caucasians. It seems all terrorists have to do today, is put on some sneakers
 
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Rashad said:
Russ, maybe thats what I'm getting at. And Robert Zaleski, I'm afraid I don't know enough to make such an opinion.
[incredulity] What do you mean you don't know enough? There have been thousands of terrorist acts comitted by people calling themselves Muslims in the past 20 years. The vast majority of which (including the ones discussed in this thread) are perpetrated by people who later claim responsibility for them and claim their religion justifies the acts. Haven't you heard of any of them?
 
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studentx said:
Sneakers are for sale all around the globe, so are sweatshirts and pants. Not all muslims are arabs, there are plenty of caucasians. It seems all terrorists have to do today, is put on some sneakers
Yes, but sneakers, sweatshirts and sweatpants are "western" articles of clothing, and generally anti-american terrorists don't dress in western garb.
 
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wasteofo2 said:
Yes, but sneakers, sweatshirts and sweatpants are "western" articles of clothing, and generally anti-american terrorists don't dress in western garb.

Uhhh, I'm gonna call you on this one. Maybe you can support it with some sort of factual evidence. Similar clothing is worn by many arabic men that I know.
 
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Please excuse my ignorance, Russ. I'm afraid I haven't been alive for the past 20 years, I will take your word for there being thousands of Muslim terrorists attacks in this time period. I do find the explanation of Muslim terrorists senseful, after your response, but my post was to address a few questions about the circumstances.
 
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wasteofo2 said:
Yes, but sneakers, sweatshirts and sweatpants are "western" articles of clothing, and generally anti-american terrorists don't dress in western garb.

Anti american terrorists use american computers, american weapons, eat american food, watch american movies, shoot videos with american cameras, drive american cars and speak american.
Also guerillas have no rules of war and dress how they want. Theyre often light packed and urban clothed in whatever they can move fastest and is available, which could be sneakers, sweatpants and sweatshirts. Probably not traditional arab clothing
 
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Rashad said:
Please excuse my ignorance, Russ. I'm afraid I haven't been alive for the past 20 years, I will take your word for there being thousands of Muslim terrorists attacks in this time period. I do find the explanation of Muslim terrorists senseful, after your response, but my post was to address a few questions about the circumstances.
Hamas alone has comitted hundreds of individual acts of terrorism and virtually every one is followed (or even preceded) by a statement from the organization. For example, on the front page of their website today: [URL [Broken] commando retaliation attack targeting Zionist settlers near Zeita
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Tulkarm - The Qassam Brigades (Hamas military wing) and the Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Fatah military wing) have declared joint responsibility for attack on a car loaded with Zionist criminal settlers near the Zeita village in the Tulkarm district.
AKA CIVILIANS.

Terrorists even fight over who did what: http://www.metimes.com/2K4/issue2004-5/reg/hamas_makes_rival.htm
The Palestinian Islamic movement, Hamas, became Friday the second radical Palestinian group to claim responsibility for a suicide bus bombing in Jerusalem that left 10 people dead as well as the attacker.
 
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I'm not going to get into a running debate on this but I am going
to provide these impressions for others ---

Al-Zarqawi: The Egyptians (and the US) have done voiceprints and have
concluded the voice on the tape was Zarqawi's (despite the claims of
accents, that Zarqawi is dead, or was on vacation in Iran) –

Politics: 12 May 2004, Wednesday.

Egyptian experts have verified the voice on the tape, showing the beheading of a US civilian, as that of Osama bin Laden's closest associate Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, AFP reported.

The American civilian Nick Berg was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaeda-linked Web site. The tape shocked the world. His body was found last Saturday near a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday, the day when he was decapitated.

Berg, who disappeared April 9, was shown in the video on a Web site bearing the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American.”


http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=34594 [Broken]

The Chair: I have one of those chairs in my backyard.

The Jump Suit: ????

Anyway - the comments about the orange jump suit gives you an idea of the sorts who are talking ---. It's the *Put a tin hat on your head so the government can't control your mind crowd.* There are also *theories* on the internet that Berg, a Jewish Republican, was a member of al Queda himself. Those implicate the government yet contradict these - which appear intended to do the same ---- go figure.
 
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