Nitrogen Valences in Heme Molecule: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structure of the heme molecule, particularly focusing on the valence electrons of the nitrogen atoms and the iron center. Participants explore bonding theories, resonance structures, and the implications for molecular geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the heme group is a porphyrin molecule with four nitrogen atoms bound to iron, questioning the valence electrons of the top right nitrogen and its relation to resonance.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to understand the shape of the heme group using bonding theory, including bond angles and resonance structures.
  • A different participant raises the question of whether the heme structure is a transition metal complex or a covalent structure, suggesting that this distinction could help rationalize the earlier questions about valence electrons.
  • It is mentioned that even in transition metal complexes, there are degrees of covalency, and predicting geometries through valence bond theory may not be effective in many cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the nature of the heme molecule's bonding, with some focusing on covalent versus transition metal complex characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific contributions of valence electrons and the implications for molecular geometry.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as resonance, formal charges, and molecular geometries, indicating that there may be missing assumptions or definitions that could clarify their arguments.

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Hey everyone

I am confused as to the structure of a heme molecule. A picture of it is shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Heme.png

I understand the heme group is largely a porphyrin molecule. The 4 Nitrogens are coordinate-covalently bound to the central Iron atom. The top-left Nitrogen in the diagram checks out. It has 5 valence electrons (3 bonded to the two carbons and 2 in the coordinate bond)

However, my question is : what about the top right Nitrogen? It seems to only have 4 valence electrons.

Does this have to do with the resonance of the carbon rings and how the double bonds can move around? Any help would be appreciated!

Also, Where are the valence electrons of the Iron since it doesent contribute to the coordinate bonds? Are they just lone pairs then?

Anton
 
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Just to add, the purpose of this question is to understand the shape of the heme group molecule using bonding theory...I have to write about all th ebond angles and such...whew...so I guess I need to understand any resonant structures and lone pairs, etc...
 
Alright, so let's start off with the question of whether this is a transition metal complex or a covalent structure.

From here on you can rationalize the questions you have asked e.g. in transition metal complexes, which orbitals hold the valence electrons for iron?

Also, consider the formal charges, and yes you'll need to consider resonance, the electron and molecular geometries
 
even in transition metal complexes there are degrees of covalency, but predicting their geometries through valence bond theory simply will not work, in most cases.
 

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