No Net Force in E & B Perpendicular Fields

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a velocity selector where electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields are perpendicular. The original poster seeks to understand the conditions under which there is no net force acting on a charged particle in these fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze two scenarios regarding the direction of the particle's velocity in relation to the electric and magnetic fields. They question why one scenario would not result in zero net force and seek clarification on the conditions for cancellation of forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the directions of the electric force and the magnetic force. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the right-hand rule to determine the directions of these forces and how they may or may not cancel each other out. The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning assumptions and clarifying concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the vector nature of forces involved and the conditions under which they can cancel. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the implications of the perpendicular arrangement of the fields and the resulting forces.

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Homework Statement


In a velocity selector E and B fields are perpendicular. Which of the following conditions on the direction of the particle's velocity can result in no net force assuming the E and B are nonzero?


Homework Equations


F = Eq + q(vxB)


The Attempt at a Solution


The answer is B.

A) v is parallel to E
--Not sure why this wouldn't work. Since E is perpendicular to B why can't it result in F = 0? F = E + vB

B) v is parallel to (ExB)
--If I recall my cross product information correctly. v will be perpendicular to both E and B therefore I get F = E + vB.

What's the difference between the two?
 
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Since the fields are non-zero, the only way for there to be no net force is for the electric and magnetic forces to cancel out (i.e. qv X B is pointing in the opposite direction to qE, and is equal in strength.). Thus, you want the velocity to point in a direction that causes the magnetic force to point opposite the electric force.

Say the electric field points up, and the magnetic field points toward you, using the right hand rule, which way will the velocity have to point in order to get (qv X B) to point opposite qE? This is essentially what the question is asking. If you check the two situations above with the right-hand rule, you should see that only one has qvXB pointing opposite to qE. Can you now see why only one of the above situations work?
 
jesuslovesu said:
A) v is parallel to E
--Not sure why this wouldn't work. Since E is perpendicular to B why can't it result in F = 0? F = E + vB
If v is parallel to E, what direction will the force from E act? And what direction must q(vxB) act? Can they possibly cancel?

B) v is parallel to (ExB)
--If I recall my cross product information correctly. v will be perpendicular to both E and B therefore I get F = E + vB.
Do the same analysis as before. Compare the directions of qE and q(vxB). Can they cancel?

G01 is way ahead of me. :-)
 
Understood, thanks
 

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