Noise voltage spectral density from datasheet

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The discussion revolves around determining the noise voltage and current spectral density from a component's datasheet, specifically for an instrumentation amplifier. Participants are exploring how to extract these values for a gain of 100 and various frequencies, while clarifying terms and the relevance of certain parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • Melanie seeks assistance in finding noise voltage and current spectral density values for a gain of 100 from a datasheet that provides data for a gain of 1000.
  • Some participants question the abbreviation "RTI," suggesting it may not be standard and seeking clarification on its meaning.
  • One participant argues that if the noise data is RTI, the gain should not matter, but emphasizes the need for more context, including the specific device and circuit details.
  • Another participant suggests looking at the "Voltage noise density (vnd) vs. frequency" graph in the datasheet to extract the necessary values for different frequencies.
  • It is noted that the instrumentation amplifier consists of two amplifiers, and the noise contributions vary with gain, which complicates the analysis even for RTI noise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of gain in relation to RTI noise data. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or the interpretation of the datasheet information.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions related to noise measurements and the specific parameters of the datasheet being referenced. There are unresolved questions about the application of the data to the problem at hand.

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Having found a datasheet for a particular component,
I have to find the noise voltage and current spectral density.
In the datasheet I have values like RTI for a gain of 1000 and Rs=0, but I need to find values for when gain G=100 and for different values of frequency.

Does anyone know how to do this?
Would really appreciate any help!

Melanie
 
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melanie707 said:
Having found a datasheet for a particular component,
I have to find the noise voltage and current spectral density.
In the datasheet I have values like RTI for a gain of 1000 and Rs=0, but I need to find values for when gain G=100 and for different values of frequency.

Does anyone know how to do this?
Would really appreciate any help!

Melanie

What is "RTI"? Not a standard abbreviation.
 
rude man said:
What is "RTI"? Not a standard abbreviation.
Relative to input
 
This problem needs to be better defined.

If the noise data is rti then the gain is immaterial by definition - but we should still see the circuit and the data. Which device is it so we can look it up ourselves.
 
rude man said:
This problem needs to be better defined.

If the noise data is rti then the gain is immaterial by definition - but we should still see the circuit and the data. Which device is it so we can look it up ourselves.

Thanks rude man,

What we are actually told to do is:
"For Rs = 0 and gain =100, enter the input noise voltage density and input noise current density for the following frequencies:
10 Hz 100 Hz 1 kHz 10 kHz 100 kHz 1 MHz
(Assume that the manufacturers’ input noise data are for Rs = 0; in many cases, this will be stated explicitly.)"
So I found a datasheet like this, (we are supposed to look at 4)
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/70328/LINER/LT1168.html
but I don't know how to find these values :/. Really stuck. Our notes cover theory, but nothing on this. I've spent hours and I am clueless.
 
Look at the "Voltage noise density (vnd) vs. frequency" graph in your data sheet, then just read off the vnd from the graph for the different frequencies.

Same for the "Current noise density vs. frequency" graph.

I will add that this is an instrumentation amplifier which is really a concatenation of two amplifiers. For low gains the second amplifier adds significant noise to the output while for high gains the first amplifier noise predominates. Which is why the gain has to be specified even for rti noise, unlike for an op amp.
 
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