Non central chi square distribution

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The discussion revolves around the non-central chi-square distribution, particularly in the context of deriving the probability density function (pdf) for a sum of squared Gaussian variables with different means and standard deviations. Participants explore the implications of scaling and the relevance of generalized chi-square distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article on the non-central chi-square distribution and questions the pdf of a sum of squared Gaussian variables with specific means and standard deviations.
  • Another participant suggests using a substitution method to relate the problem to the pdf given in the article, questioning if the original poster is seeking assistance with algebra.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the rationale behind deriving the generalized chi-square distribution, implying a need for clarity on its purpose.
  • Some participants argue that stating a distribution for the sum of squares of independent random variables is more intuitive when using standardized variables, as it provides context for understanding the data's significance.
  • One participant notes that the generalized chi-square distribution differs significantly from the standard chi-square distribution, indicating that the differences are not merely due to scaling.
  • A participant clarifies that their remarks focus on scaling the non-central chi-square to find the distribution of a sum of non-normalized, non-identically distributed independent normal random variables, emphasizing that the chi-square variables are typically assumed to be identically distributed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the generalized chi-square distribution, and there is no consensus on the best approach to derive the pdf for the sum of squared Gaussian variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the scaling of distributions and the assumptions regarding the identically distributed nature of variables in the chi-square context.

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I read this article about non central chi square distribution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noncentral_chi-square_distribution

in practice, if I have a sum of X_i^2, where X_i is gaussian with mean \mu_i and std \sigma_i what would be the pdf of the sum? In the article the assume you have (x_i\sigma_i)^2
 
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Suppose we have the problem:

Given f( X/2, Y/2) = X + XY
Find f(x,y)

How would you solve it?

You would use the substitution X = 2x, Y = 2y

This is similar to the question that you are asking since the article gives you the pdf for the Xi/sigma_i and you want to find the value of the pdf at the x_i without the divisions by the sigma_i.

Or did you already realize this and were asking someone to do the algebra?
 
why did they bother deriving the generalized chi square distribution then?
 
bob j said:
why did they bother deriving the generalized chi square distribution then?

Given that you are going to state a distribution for the sum of squares of independent random variables, it is most natural to state it for variables that have a convenient scale. If you look at data of the form Z_i = (X_i - mu_i)/ sigma_i, you can tell that +4.0 is a very unlikely value and "bigger than average". If look at data that says X_i = 240.0, you have no idea whether this is unusual or whether it is bigger or smaller than average.
 
the gen. chi square looks quite different than the chi square distribution. It's not just scaling, at least from what i can understand
 
My remarks relate to scaling the non-central chi-square to find the distribution of a sum of non-normalized non-identically distributed independent normal random variables not to a claim that scaling the chi-square will produce the non-central chi-square. The variables in the chi-square are assumed to be identically distributed.
 

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