Non-harmonic oscillation of pendulum

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The discussion centers on the non-harmonic oscillation of a pendulum, exploring the mathematical formulations and approximations related to its motion. Participants examine the differences between harmonic and non-harmonic oscillations, particularly in terms of initial angles and the resulting equations of motion.

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  • One participant inquires about the formula for non-harmonic oscillation, noting the known formula for harmonic oscillation.
  • Another participant provides a solution involving a Jacobian elliptic function, indicating that the solution is complex and requires specific mathematical knowledge.
  • A participant confirms the correctness of using approximations for small and large amplitudes, referencing angular acceleration and period formulas.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the small-angle approximation and its accuracy compared to the actual solution as the initial angle increases.
  • There is a mention of a separate issue regarding multiple postings, indicating a procedural concern rather than a technical one.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the approximations for small and large amplitudes, but the discussion includes complex mathematical formulations that may not be universally accepted or understood. The topic remains open to further exploration, particularly regarding the implications of different initial angles on the pendulum's motion.

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Hi,
I would like to ask what is the formula for non-harmonic oscillation of pendulum? I know that formula for harmonic oscillation of pendulum is: (d^2 φ)/(dt^2 )+g/r sinφ=0 where φ is angle, t is time, g is gravitational acceleration, r is length of a rope. I know that harmonic oscillation means that sinφ=φ.
 
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For an arbitrary initial angle, it can be shown that the solution to such a differential equation is given by
$$\theta(t) = 2 \sin^{-1}\bigg\{k ~\text{sn} \bigg[\sqrt{\frac{g}{L}}(t-t_0);k\bigg]\bigg\}$$
where ##k = \sin(\theta_0/2)## and ##t_0## is the time when the pendulum is vertical (##\theta = 0##). The function ##\text{sn}(x;k)## is a Jacobian elliptic function, which is defined as follows:

Given the function
$$u(y;k) = \int_0^y \frac{\mathrm{d}t}{\sqrt{(1-t^2)(1-k^2t^2)}}$$
the Jacobian elliptic function in question is defined as the inverse of this function:
$$y = \text{sn}(u;k)$$
Values for such functions are often found in tables.
The derivation of this result is non-trivial but certainly possible, if you remember the chain rule and integrate twice.
 
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Thanks for answer :smile:. Basically is it correct when I use α=-g/L*φ; T=2π*sqrt(L/g) for small amplitude where sinφ=φ and α=-g/L*sinφ; T=2π*sqrt(L/g)*(1+(1/16)*φ*φ+(11/3072*φ*φ+...) for large amplitudes? α-angular acceleration; g-gravitational acceleration; L- length of rope; φ- angle; T- period
 
Yes, that is correct. The harmonically oscillating solution and associated initial angle-independent period (##T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\ell/g})## are always approximations. The point is, the small-angle approximation solution deviates very little from the actual solution when the initial angle is small. Figure three here illustrates this nicely; as the initial angle is increased, the full equation for the period and the approximation deviate more and more.
 
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Great! Thanks a lot for explanation :smile:.

Edit (fresh_42): The rest of the post has been deleted, because it belongs to a separate thread.
 
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Multiple posting is not allowed at the PF, but maybe the other post is not a duplicate. It would be better if you would notify the Mentors before creating what looks like a duplicate post. We are dealing with post reports about this -- please give us a few hours to work this out.

Edit (fresh_42): The new subject which this warning belongs to is now in a separate thread.
Since the original question has been answered, this thread remains closed.
 
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