Nonhomogeneous System: Similar Coefficients & Solutions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence of solutions for nonhomogeneous systems of linear equations, particularly in the context of a homogeneous system represented by an 8 x 10 matrix. Participants explore the implications of having multiple solutions for the homogeneous case and whether this guarantees a solution for any nonhomogeneous equation with the same coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since the homogeneous system has two linearly independent solutions, any nonhomogeneous equation with the same coefficients should have a solution, but expresses uncertainty about the reasoning behind this.
  • Another participant challenges this assumption by proposing the construction of a nonhomogeneous equation that may not have a solution, indicating that the inhomogeneity could affect solvability.
  • A participant reflects on the inconsistency of a specific nonhomogeneous case, questioning whether a particular choice of the inhomogeneous term leads to an unsolvable system.
  • There is a suggestion to utilize the known solutions of the homogeneous system to find solutions to the nonhomogeneous system, although the method is not fully elaborated.
  • Another participant notes that for a solution to exist for the nonhomogeneous equation, the vector representing the inhomogeneity must lie within the span of the column vectors of the matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether any nonhomogeneous equation with the same coefficients necessarily has a solution. Multiple competing views are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the inhomogeneity and its relationship to the solutions of the homogeneous system. The discussion does not clarify the conditions under which the nonhomogeneous system may or may not have solutions.

kosovo dave
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This might belong in the HW section, but since it's specific to Linear Algebra I posted it here.

Alright, so we have a homogeneous system of 8 equations in 10 variables (an 8 x 10 matrix, let's call it A). We have found two solutions that are not multiples of each other (lets call them a and b), and every other solution is a linear combination of them. Can you be certain that any nonhomogeneous equation with the same coefficients has a solution?

I want to say yes, but I'm not sure why. Here's the stuff I know:
- Our solution for the homogeneous system is span{a, b}.
- Since there are free variables/the null space is not just 0 we know there are nontrivial solutions.
- Dim(Null(A))=8
 
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Try constructing a non-homogeneous equation with those two coefficients that does not have a solution - consider that the inhomogeniety can be anything.
 
I don't know why, but I'm still having a hard time with this :/ Could you give me another hint?

Here's what I tried:
Ax=c

if c= (0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0) I think the system would be inconsistent because row 3 of the augmented matrix would be all 0's and then a nonzero to the right of the vertical line. Does that work?
 
Well, how would you normally find the solution to a non-homogeneous system knowing the solution to the homogeneous one?
 
augment the nonhomogeneous system with a solution from the homogeneous one?
 
kosovo dave said:
Can you be certain that any nonhomogeneous equation with the same coefficients has a solution?
For a matrix A and a column vector x the result of Ax can be viewed as a linear combination of the column vectors of A where the coefficients in the linear combination are the entries of x. So if Ax = b has a solution, the vector b must be in the span of the column vectors.
 

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