Noob's Questions about Electromagneticism

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of electromagnetism and the electromagnetic spectrum, exploring the distinctions between electromagnetic forces and weak nuclear forces, as well as the nature of radiation. Participants seek clarification on these topics, which encompass theoretical and conceptual aspects of physics.

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  • Some participants assert that electromagnetism is not solely defined by the electromagnetic spectrum, but rather encompasses more, including the behavior of moving electrons and the emission of photons.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of radiation types, with some participants questioning whether a model exists that parallels the periodic table for elements.
  • Some participants differentiate between electromagnetic radiation and nuclear radiation, noting that nuclear radiation refers specifically to processes like uranium decaying into lead.
  • There is mention of the electroweak interaction, with one participant suggesting it arises from adding another spatial dimension to the equations governing these forces.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between frequency and energy in electromagnetic radiation, noting that different regions of the spectrum are defined by their frequency.
  • One participant suggests that naming different types of electromagnetic radiation could be analogous to naming an accelerated ball at different speeds, indicating they are the same object (photon) with varying energy.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between electromagnetism, electromagnetic radiation, and weak nuclear forces. There is no consensus on the distinctions or connections between these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the classification of radiation types and the specifics of weak interactions beyond the example of uranium decay. The discussion highlights the complexity and nuances in understanding these fundamental forces and their interactions.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals seeking to understand the foundational concepts of electromagnetism, radiation types, and the relationships between different forces in physics.

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Greetings all. I am The_Jackal...and I am happy to be here :bugeye:

I never took a physics course, but have some peripheral knowledge of it and I have a couple of observations and that developed into questions, I was wondering if anyone here can help me with so I and better understand.

I learned that there are 4 forces of nature
1) gravity
2) electromagnetism
3) the strong-nuclear-interaction
4) the weak-nuclear-interaction

Now, let me explain my reasoning that lead to the question I have.

Electromagnetism is basically defined as the electromagnetic-spectrum, right?

Well, I've heard that all the levels that comprise the electromagnetic-spectrum (radio wave, microwave, infrared, the visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays and gamma rays) are all described as types of radiation, right?

And if I understand correctly, radiation is the "weak-nuclear-force" of the 4 forces of nature, right?

So if the electromagnetic-spectrum is the radiation of the weak-nuclear-interaction, then what is the difference between the electromagnetic-force and the weak-nuclear-force?

And does this explain the concept of the "electroweak-interaction"?

I know I don't have a complete picture here. I hope someone can correct me. :cool:
 
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The_Jackal said:
Electromagnetism is basically defined as the electromagnetic-spectrum, right?

Nope. Electromagnetic radiation is just one part of electromagnetism.

The_Jackal said:
Well, I've heard that all the levels that comprise the electromagnetic-spectrum (radio wave, microwave, infrared, the visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays and gamma rays) are all described as types of radiation, right?

Yep.

The_Jackal said:
And if I understand correctly, radiation is the "weak-nuclear-force" of the 4 forces of nature, right?

NUCLEAR radiation, i.e. uranium decaying into lead.

The_Jackal said:
So if the electromagnetic-spectrum is the radiation of the weak-nuclear-interaction, then what is the difference between the electromagnetic-force and the weak-nuclear-force?

Different types of radiation...

The_Jackal said:
And does this explain the concept of the "electroweak-interaction"?

No. The electroweak force is the byproduct of adding another spatial dimension to the equations. When another dimension is added, the forces can be seen as essentially the same.
 
Superstring said:
Nope. Electromagnetic radiation is just one part of electromagnetism.

What else does electromagnetism comprise of?

Superstring said:
Yep.

NUCLEAR radiation, i.e. uranium decaying into lead.

Different types of radiation...

I think my problem is that I'm not able to grasp the different types of radiation.

Is there a classification model for all the types of radiation that is somewhat comparable to what the periodic table is for elements?

And also, is there more to the weak-interaction than uranium decaying into lead? And why specifically uranium and lead? I figured it would be more general.
 
The_Jackal said:
Electromagnetism is basically defined as the electromagnetic-spectrum, right?

Electromagnetism is a property of current flowing, or moving electrons. When electrons emit photons you get a electromagnetic "wave", which may be a radio wave or a light wave.
The electromagnetic spectrum is a mapping of electromagnetic waves, from the longest wave to the shortest wave.

Well, I've heard that all the levels that comprise the electromagnetic-spectrum (radio wave, microwave, infrared, the visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays and gamma rays) are all described as types of radiation, right?

Photon radiation.

Nuclear decay is particle radiation but these particles(electrons) can also then emit photons.
Nobody really knows what these forces are. So somebody could come up with a model that says the nuclear force is somehow derived from the same fundamental as the electric force.
 
brantc said:
Electromagnetism is a property of current flowing, or moving electrons. When electrons emit photons you get a electromagnetic "wave", which may be a radio wave or a light wave.
The electromagnetic spectrum is a mapping of electromagnetic waves, from the longest wave to the shortest wave.

[...]
Photon radiation.

Okay so, the electromagnetic spectrum = the mapping electromagnetic waves = photon radiation

And also, how is the photon radiation "radio wave" or a "light wave?"

When you say "light wave," do you mean the visible-light part of the spectrum? Should I conclude that everything else is "radio wave?"

brantc said:
Nuclear decay is particle radiation but these particles(electrons) can also then emit photons.
Nobody really knows what these forces are. So somebody could come up with a model that says the nuclear force is somehow derived from the same fundamental as the electric force.

Thanks :)
 
All electromagnetic radiation is light. For our own convenience however, we have split up regions of the electromagnetic spectrum and given them names for our own reference. So radio frequencies is one low end part of the spectrum, visible light is the spectrum that we can see with our eyes, ultraviolet light is the spectrum just above visible light and so on. The only thing that differentiates between these regions is the frequency. In terms of photon, the frequency of the photon is directly proportional to its energy. So the lower the frequency, the lower the amount of energy that each photon represents.
 
The_Jackal said:
Okay so, the electromagnetic spectrum = the mapping electromagnetic waves = photon radiation

And also, how is the photon radiation "radio wave" or a "light wave?"

It just depends on the energy - the wavelength. Our eyes just happen to be sensitive to the part of the spectrum we call "light", so we called it light... You can "see" by just about any type of radiation using the proper camera.
When you say "light wave," do you mean the visible-light part of the spectrum? Should I conclude that everything else is "radio wave?"
Thanks :)

Yes, radio waves only by virtue of their "lower than light" frequency(wavelength).
 
Check out this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation

The posts above summarize the information in the article, but nevertheless it explains pretty much everything and answers your question.

I can recall that someone else in the forum wrote that naming different types of electromagnetic radiation (photon radiation) such as radio waves for low frequency EM radiation and gamma rays, x-rays for high frequency EM rad, etc could be analogous to naming an accelerated ball at different speeds, in other words its the same object, in this case a photon, just with different energy.

P.S. Stop playing so much DotA and focus more on your studies.
 
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Thank you all so much, you all have been so helpful.

The link in that last post pretty much sums up the definition of radiation in a simple and clear defined manner. So much so, I don't even have to ask my next question which was going to be about sound, vibration, and frequency lol.

Thank you PF for this edification! :)
 

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