Electromagnetic spectrum/(dark)matter/4 fundamental forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the fundamental forces in physics, the electromagnetic spectrum, and concepts related to matter and dark matter. Participants explore the relationships between these topics, including the nature of photons, the decomposition of matter, and the effects of fundamental forces over distances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the four fundamental forces as gravity, electromagnetic, strong interaction, and weak interaction, and questions the nature of the electromagnetic spectrum, suggesting a relationship between photons and matter.
  • Another participant challenges the sequence of waves in the electromagnetic spectrum, asserting that beta and alpha waves do not follow gamma rays as proposed.
  • There is a discussion about the interchangeability of energy and matter, with one participant speculating that matter might revert back into the electromagnetic spectrum after decomposition.
  • Concerns are raised about how scientists measure the effects of strong and weak interactions over large distances, with one participant suggesting that these forces would prevent the existence of planets if they had significant long-range effects.
  • Dark matter is described as having an attractive force that keeps galaxies together, while dark energy is noted for pushing galaxies apart, contradicting the idea that strong or weak interactions might be responsible for galactic separation.
  • One participant expresses a desire to read more or consult with an experienced physicist to clarify their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement on several points, particularly regarding the nature of the electromagnetic spectrum and the roles of fundamental forces. There is no consensus on the speculative connections made between matter decomposition and the electromagnetic spectrum.

Contextual Notes

Some claims made by participants rely on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion. The relationship between the forces and their effects over distances remains unresolved, as does the nature of the electromagnetic spectrum in relation to matter.

paulo84
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OK, I need some help understanding some stuff.

The way I see it: you've got 4 fundamental forces in physics right? I believe these are gravity, electromagnetic, strong interaction and weak interaction.

The electromagnetic spectrum is basically waves with photons (photons in all of the different ones, such as gamma and radio waves??). Once you reach one end of the spectrum, as in gamma rays, the next one up is beta waves (electrons) and then alpha waves (some kind of helium with bits missing iirc?). Here you're already essentially talking about matter. But, is a photon counted as matter?

OK so the EM spectrum seems to be extending into matter along gamma/beta/alpha waves. And, we know energy and matter are interchangeable anyway. But eventually, all matter decomposes - has a half-life. And then does it revert back into the EM spectrum? Is it actually like a EM/matter spectrum which might actually be a circle or a horseshoe rather than just a spectrum?

Because like, the radioactive metals that last for a fraction of a second before they decompose, well that's where I'd see this spectrum looping back on itself... or am I crazy?

And then back to the 4 fundamental forces... and dark matter... how do scientists know that say strong or weak interaction don't actually have a huge effect over greater distances (how would you measure that??) and might actually be what's pushing the galaxies apart rather than dark matter? could be an inverse effect...

sorry if it's all a little crazy or inaccurate in places...
 
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paulo84 said:
gravity, electromagnetic, strong interaction and weak interaction.
Okay.
paulo84 said:
you reach one end of the spectrum, as in gamma rays, the next one up is beta waves
No.
Here's result from Google --- https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q="em+radiation" --- work your way through a half dozen or dozen articles --- then try rephrasing one or two questions at a time.
 
paulo84 said:
The way I see it: you've got 4 fundamental forces in physics right?
Depends on the way you count. The electromagnetic interaction and weak interaction can be combined to the electroweak interaction.
The Higgs mechanism can be seen as part of the electroweak interaction or as some separate interaction.
paulo84 said:
Once you reach one end of the spectrum, as in gamma rays, the next one up is beta waves (electrons) and then alpha waves (some kind of helium with bits missing iirc?).
No, not at all.
paulo84 said:
But eventually, all matter decomposes - has a half-life.
There are stable particles.
paulo84 said:
Because like, the radioactive metals that last for a fraction of a second before they decompose, well that's where I'd see this spectrum looping back on itself... or am I crazy?
That doesn't make sense.
paulo84 said:
how do scientists know that say strong or weak interaction don't actually have a huge effect over greater distances
Something like planets would not exist if they would have an effect over large distances (where large means larger than the size of an atom).
paulo84 said:
and might actually be what's pushing the galaxies apart rather than dark matter?
Dark matter is not pushing galaxies apart. Dark matter is attractive and keeps galaxies together. Dark energy is pushing galaxies apart from other galaxies.

I agree with Bystander: start reading about those topics before you make up wild speculations and questions that are based on too many misconceptions for a proper answer.
 
OK, thanks, I'll try and get back to you, I really need to either do some reading or talk to an experienced physicist in real life... would prefer the latter but may not be possible for a while.
 

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