Normal and Shearing Stress - Combined Loading

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of normal and shear stresses under combined loading conditions, specifically in the context of a problem from a textbook. Participants are sharing their computed values and seeking verification or clarification on their results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculated normal and shear stresses, noting discrepancies with the textbook solutions.
  • Another participant shares their values for forces and moments at a cross-section, asking for verification.
  • A later reply suggests a potential error in the shear flow calculation, indicating that the first moment of area should be computed for a quarter of the pipe rather than half.
  • One participant offers to share their worked solution, implying it may provide further insights into the problem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as discrepancies in calculated shear stress values remain unresolved, and multiple approaches to the problem are discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the shear flow calculations, particularly concerning the geometry of the pipe and the method of computing the first moment of area.

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Homework Statement
Determine the normal and shear stresses developed at the points of interest.
Relevant Equations
Strength of Materials

Normal Stress ##\sigma##:

## \sigma = \frac{F}{A}## - tensile/compressive
##\sigma = \frac{Mr}{I}## - bending

Shear Stress ##\tau##:

## \tau = \frac{Tr}{J}## - Torsion
## \tau = \frac{QV}{It}## -Shear Flow
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Here is my combined loading:

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The book solution for normal and shear stresses respectively are:

a) ##20.4~\text{MPa}, 14.34 ~\text{MPa} ## - I find both

b) ##-21.5~\text{MPa}, \boxed{19.98~\text{MPa}}## - I find the normal stress, but I'm not getting the book answer for the shear stress.

I'm getting Torsion + Shear Flow ##\approx 25.6 \text{MPa}##

I'm just brushing up for the heck of it...No professor to ask. Does anyone get solution in the book?
 
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@erobz
I may be wrong, but for the cross-section shared by points a and b, my values are:

Fx = 0
Mx = 90 kN-mm

Fy = 1.5 kN
My = 108 kN-mm

Fz = 1.2 kN
Mz = 67.5 kN-mm

Would you mind to verify?
 
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Lnewqban said:
@erobz
I may be wrong, but for the cross-section shared by points a and b, my values are:

Fx = 0
Mx = 90 kN-mm

Fy = 1.5 kN
My = 108 kN-mm

Fz = 1.2 kN
Mz = 67.5 kN-mm

Would you mind to verify?
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Sorry, I had some bad editing there. Yeah, those match my values.
 
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Never mind. I believe I found the problem. For the shear flow in a pipe (or other closed tubular geometry depending on position I suppose):

$$\tau = \frac{QV}{I (2t)} $$

Its either that or you only use a quarter of the pipe in ##Q## computation( I was using a half - with single wall thickness). To use a single pipe wall thickness ##t##, the first moment ##Q## is computed for one quarter of the pipe.Adding that to the Torsion gets me the book answer...
 
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Here is my worked solution if anyone is interested.

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