Normal Mode Analysis: Basics & Applications

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around normal mode analysis (NMA) and its applications in determining the vibrations of complex molecules. Participants explore foundational concepts, methods for calculation, and relevant literature in the context of molecular vibrations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Rajini seeks basic information on normal mode analysis for studying molecular vibrations, mentioning the use of Urey-force constants.
  • One participant suggests calculating the Hessian matrix, noting that its eigenvalues yield spring constants in the harmonic approximation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the utility of group theoretical methods, stating that knowing the symmetry group of a molecule can help identify possible vibrational modes.
  • There is mention of the complexity involved in calculating eigenmodes analytically, particularly for small molecules, and how group theory can simplify this process.
  • Rajini expresses gratitude for the book recommendations and mentions finding another useful book by Nakamoto.
  • A later reply indicates confusion regarding the calculation of symmetry coordinates versus normal coordinates and the difficulty in manually resolving the matrix of molecular orbitals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants share resources and methods but do not reach a consensus on the best approach for manual calculations or the specifics of normal mode analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the manual calculation methods and the definitions of symmetry versus normal coordinates, which may affect the discussion.

Rajini
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Hi Member,
does anyone have some experience with normal mode analysis?I need to know from basics...i want to use this analysis for finding the vibrations of a complex molecule...(may be by using Urey- force constants,etc..or if u know any other method !).

eagerly waiting
Rajini
 
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you will be interested in calculating the Hessian matrix (i.e. the second derivatives of the energy with respect to the position and/or relative coordinates). in the harmonic approximation, the eigenvalues of the hessian will yield the spring constants (which is sounds like you are looking for).

a good intro is "Molecular Vibrations" by Wilson, Decius and Cross. also, there is a set of books on diatomic spectra by Herzberg...but really, there are a myriad of sources on NMA out there (another Dover book is "Symmetry and Spectroscopy" by Harris/Bertolucci).

most ab initio programs will calculate the hessian matrix for you, but you will need to have a careful understanding of how the energy is being (hopefully accurately) calculated.

also, most basis sets tend to overestimate the vibrational modes and so typically 6-31G* basis sets are used and then an empirical scaling factor of 0.89 is applied (i know this sounds hokey, but this is how we parameterize modern force fields).
 
Group theoretical methods can also prove very useful in this game. If you know the symmetry group of your molecule, this will allow you to find what types of modes can exist.

If you want to calculate the eigenmodes analytically, this can be a problem for even small molecules because you end up needing to solve very high order polynomials. Again, group theory comes to the rescue here allowing analytical expressions for each mode frequency and its corresponding basis of vibrations.

The following texts are very good for this stuff:
J. F. Cornwell, Group theory in physics, vol. 1, (Harcourt Brace Jonavich, London 1984) p. 92, p. 190.

P. P. Teodorescu and N-A. P. Nicorovici, Applications of the theory of groups in mechanics and physics, (Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht, 2004)
 
thanks

hi thanks for ur reply...now i am on holidays..will try to find those books...after my holidays
thanks again
rajini
 
that book (by wilson) is really nice..thanks again..also i found another book by nakamoto..which is also good...(basics are same in both books)
 
hey rajini
sorry cause i didnt reply you. infact, the coordinates that I've calculate it in terms of x,y and z coordinates was it the symmetry coordinates and not the normal coordinates.
actually, I am still searching for a method to calculate it manualy, but it seems that's so hard , cause we should resolve a matrix of the molecular orbitals of the representation A that we have built it based on the x,y and z coordiantes.
i didnt find the method till now, so really sorry.
 

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