Normal subgroups of a non-albelian group

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The discussion revolves around identifying normal subgroups within a non-abelian group. Participants are exploring the characteristics and criteria that define normal subgroups in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants discuss the need to check subgroup properties, with some questioning the feasibility of examining all entries in infinite groups. Others suggest looking for a more general proof rather than a case-by-case analysis.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing thoughts on the nature of normal subgroups and the challenges posed by non-abelian structures. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the analysis, particularly for infinite groups.

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One participant mentions that the problem is part of a take-home final, indicating constraints on sharing specific details of the question. This context may influence the nature of the discussion and the types of assistance sought.

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I have the table for a non-albelian group. I know the subgroups of this group. I need to know which subgroups are normal. How can I tell?
 
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So you need to check every single entry?
 
Well some of these groups will be infinite so that's impossible but for finite groups I guess it would work but would be a tad tedious. We're looking for a more generic proof.

Consider the following,
Let [itex]H \subset G[/itex]. The group [itex]G[/itex] is abelian and therefore has commutivity of elements by design i.e.
[itex]ah=ha[/itex]
However, this holds [itex]\forall h \in H[/itex] and [itex]\forall a \in G[/itex]
[itex]\Rightarrow aH=Ha \Rightarrow a^{-1}aH=a^{-1}Ha[/itex]
[itex]a^{-1}Ha=H[/itex]
 
But my group isn't abelian.
 
haha i am being silly...let me reconsider
 
could u post the question?
 
It's for a take-home final so I'm trying to ask for help on the concepts without doing that. I'll post it after I turn it in.
 

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