Normal to a fixed concentric ellipse

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The discussion revolves around proving that the line segment MN is always normal to a fixed concentric ellipse, given perpendiculars PM and PN from a point P on the ellipse. The problem involves understanding the geometric properties of ellipses and their normals.

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  • Participants explore the equation of the normal to an ellipse and attempt to relate it to the equation derived from point P on the ellipse. There are discussions about expressing parameters in terms of others and ensuring the equations align under certain constraints.

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Participants are actively comparing equations and deriving relationships between parameters. There is a focus on ensuring that the derived equations can accommodate all values of the angles involved, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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There are constraints regarding the dependencies of parameters a', b', and φ on a, b, and θ, which are being discussed to ensure the validity of the relationships being formed.

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Homework Statement


PM and PN are perpendiculars upon the axes from any point 'P' on the ellipse. Prove that MN is always normal to a fixed concentric ellipse

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I assume point P to be (acosθ, bsinθ)

The eqn of line MN is then given by
bsin\theta x+acos\theta y =absin\theta cos\theta
 
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Try writing the generic equation for a normal to an ellipse with same centre and axes.
 
haruspex said:
Try writing the generic equation for a normal to an ellipse with same centre and axes.

a'sec \phi x - b'cosec \phi y = a^2 - b^2
 
utkarshakash said:
a'sec \phi x - b'cosec \phi y = a^2 - b^2
I assume you meant a'sec \phi x - b'cosec \phi y = a'^2 - b'^2
It remains to find expressions for a', b' and phi in terms of a, b and θ that make this the same as the equation for MN. There is a constraint regarding which of a', b' and phi can depend on which of a, b and θ.
 
haruspex said:
I assume you meant a'sec \phi x - b'cosec \phi y = a'^2 - b'^2
It remains to find expressions for a', b' and phi in terms of a, b and θ that make this the same as the equation for MN. There is a constraint regarding which of a', b' and phi can depend on which of a, b and θ.

Do you want me to compare the two lines?
 
utkarshakash said:
Do you want me to compare the two lines?
Yes. You want to make a′x sec(ϕ)−b′y cosec(ϕ)=a′2−b′2 look like bx sin(θ)+ay cos(θ)=ab sinθ cosθ by suitable choices of a', b' and ϕ. But note that this must work keeping a' and b' fixed while ϕ is allowed to vary as a function of θ.
 
haruspex said:
Yes. You want to make a′x sec(ϕ)−b′y cosec(ϕ)=a′2−b′2 look like bx sin(θ)+ay cos(θ)=ab sinθ cosθ by suitable choices of a', b' and ϕ. But note that this must work keeping a' and b' fixed while ϕ is allowed to vary as a function of θ.

OK I did exactly what you said and got the following relations after comparison

cos\alpha = \dfrac{aa&#039;cos\theta}{a&#039;^2 - b&#039;^2} \\<br /> <br /> sin \alpha = \dfrac{-bb&#039;sin\theta}{a&#039;^2 - b&#039;^2} \\ <br /> <br /> tan \alpha = \dfrac{-bb&#039; tan\theta}{aa&#039;}<br /> <br />
 
utkarshakash said:
OK I did exactly what you said and got the following relations after comparison

cos\alpha = \dfrac{aa&#039;cos\theta}{a&#039;^2 - b&#039;^2} \\<br /> <br /> sin \alpha = \dfrac{-bb&#039;sin\theta}{a&#039;^2 - b&#039;^2} \\ <br /> <br /> tan \alpha = \dfrac{-bb&#039; tan\theta}{aa&#039;}<br /> <br />
OK, nearly there. Now you must set a' and b' so that all values of θ and α can occur. (Otherwise there will be a gap in one of the ellipses.)
 

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