Chord PQ subtending Right angle at centre of ellipse.

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship involving points P and Q on an ellipse that subtend a right angle at the center. The problem is situated within the context of ellipse geometry and vector analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the parametric representation of points on the ellipse and discuss the implications of the right angle condition. There are attempts to use distance formulas and vector methods to derive relationships between the points. Questions arise regarding the validity of assumptions about angles and the implications of the vector method leading to a specific case where a = b.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting various methods to derive the necessary relationships. Some have provided partial equations and insights, while others are seeking clarification on the next steps and the implications of their findings. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the interpretation of angles in the parametric equations, and participants are questioning the assumptions made in their approaches. The complexity of the equations being derived is noted, along with the challenge of simplifying them effectively.

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Homework Statement



If P and Q are two points on ellipse [(x^2/a^2)+(y^2/b^2)]=1 such that PQ subtends a right angle at the centre O then.Prove that 1/[(OP)^2] + 1/[(OQ)^2] = [1/(a^2)] +[1/(b^2)]

Homework Equations


Parametric form of points P(acos(θ),bsin(θ)),


The Attempt at a Solution


Since the angle between them is 90 degrees therefore the points are P[acos(θ),bsin(θ)]
and Q[acos(90+θ),bsin(90+θ)] = Q[-asin(θ),bcos(θ)]

FirstNow I tried the distance formula but in vain
SecondI also tried using vectors as follows
Position vector of P= acos(θ) i +bsin(θ) j
Q= -asin(θ)i +bcos(θ) j

Since OP and OQ are perpandicular their dot product is zero
OP.OQ = 0
acos(θ).[-asin(θ)] + bsin(θ).[bcoz(θ)]=0
b^2[sin(θ)cos(θ)]- a^2[sin(θ)cos(θ) = 0
which gives a^2=b^2
a = b

I have 2 questions, 1)How to prove this?
2)Why does the vector method give a=b (which i think is only a special case). Did I do anything wrong?


Any help will be appreciated...Thanks.
 
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amk_dbz said:
Since the angle between them is 90 degrees therefore the points are P[acos(θ),bsin(θ)]
and Q[acos(90+θ),bsin(90+θ)] = Q[-asin(θ),bcos(θ)]
Theta is only a parameter here. It does not represent the angle the vector makes to the x axis.
 
Oh! Interesting...I had failed to notice that and took it as the angle between positive x-axis and the position vector of the point.
Thanks

Ok, so how do I prove the property then ?
 
let the points be parameterised by independent angles, then use the perpendicularity of the vectors to find the relationship between the two.
 
Thanks again..
I tried solving it assuming parameters A and B [P(acosA,bsinA)] and [Q(acosB,bsinB)]
Therefore OP.OQ = a^2(cosA)(cosB) + b^2(sinA)(sinB) = 0

Now I simplified it in two ways leading to two equations
1) (b^2+a^2)[cos(A-B)]=(b^2-a^2)[cos(A+B)]

2) -(a^2)/(b^2) = tanAtanB

What should I do next?

Thanks.
 
The LHS of the target equality is 1/[(OP)^2] + 1/[(OQ)^2], so obtain an expression for that in terms of the angles.
 
I have been trying to simplify the equation but in vain...It is too messy and long. Please let me know if you have a better way.
Anyways thanks for assistance. :)
 
Try substituting t = tan A, u = tan B, and converting all the trig functions into references to t and u. You can use tu = -a2/b2 to eliminate one of them.
 

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