When will the line intercept the ellipse a second time?

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The discussion revolves around finding the second intersection point of a line with an ellipse. The original poster attempts to determine where a line, which is perpendicular to the ellipse defined by the equation x² − xy + y² = 3 at the point (-1,1), intersects the ellipse a second time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equation of the perpendicular line and question the slope of the original line provided by the poster. There is an exploration of how to mathematically find the second intersection point without relying on graphical methods.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by substituting the line's equation into the ellipse's equation. There is an acknowledgment of a mistake regarding the slope of the line, and the conversation includes attempts to clarify the correct equations to use.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for mathematical justification for the intersection point, as well as the original poster's desire to avoid graphical solutions. The discussion also reflects on the properties of ellipses and their symmetry.

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Homework Statement


Find the equation of the line perpendicular to the ellipse x^2 − xy + y^2 = 3 at the point (-1,1). Where does the perpendicular line intercept the ellipse a second time?

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I have already found the equation of the perpendicular line (f(x) = x - 2), just not sure how prove mathematically where it intercepts again. Of course I can just look at the graph, but I should be able to do it without referring to the graph at all. The slope of the line BTW is -1.
 
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Have you tried drawing a picture?

Does f(x)=x-2 have a slope of -1? (In other words, your perpendicular is not correct.)

Instead of f(x), use y. Now you have two equations in two unknowns.
 
D H said:
Have you tried drawing a picture?

Does f(x)=x-2 have a slope of -1? (In other words, your perpendicular is not correct.)

Instead of f(x), use y. Now you have two equations in two unknowns.

Sorry, I just realized I made a mistake. The equation for the line PARALLEL to (-1,1) is f(x)=x-2. Sorry.

The equation for the perpendicular line is simply f(x) = -x

That said, since the perpendicular line passes through (-1,1) and then through the origin, you know that it intercepts the ellipse again at (1,-1). So I know the answer, just not sure how to justify it that mathematically.

My best justification would be, "Since every point on an ellipse has a corresponding point in which the x and y values are reversed, then we know that the perpendicular line passes again through the ellipse at (1, -1)."

Something like that, but again it would be better if I could prove this via calculations and not sentences.
 
You know the perpendicular line is y= -x and you want to determine where it crosses x2[/sub]- xy+ y2= 3. Okay, replace each y with -x to get x2- x(-x)+ (-x)2= 3x2= 3 and solve for x. You already know one solution is x= -1 since (-1, 1) is on the ellipse. What is the other solution?
 

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