Normal vector on complex function

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the normal vector associated with a complex function, specifically in the context of a wave described by the function z(x,t) = A e^{i(\omega t + \alpha x)}. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the normal vector and its implications for applications such as aerodynamic work on traveling waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formulation for the normal vector N, involving both real and imaginary components, and questions the choice of the complex x-component.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative representation of the function in terms of real components, indicating a potential difference in approach but expresses uncertainty about the original method.
  • A third participant asks for clarification on what constitutes a normal vector to a complex function, indicating a lack of familiarity with the topic.
  • A later reply mentions that the real part of the normal vector appears correct based on plotting, but expresses uncertainty regarding the imaginary part and acknowledges a trial-and-error approach.
  • Context is provided about the application of the normal vector in calculating aerodynamic work, linking it to complex pressure and surface displacement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the formulation of the normal vector or its application. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of their approaches and the definitions involved, particularly in relation to the imaginary part of the normal vector and its application in the context of aerodynamic forces.

MarkoA
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Hi,

I'm not sure about the the normal vector N on a complex function
z(x,t) = A e^{i(\omega t + \alpha x)}

My approach is that (\overline{z} beeing the conjugate of z):
<br /> \Re{(\mathbf{N})} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{1}{4}(\partial x + \overline{\partial x} )^2 + \frac{1}{4}(\partial z + \overline{\partial z} )^2 }} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> -\frac{1}{2}(\partial z + \overline{\partial z}) \\<br /> \frac{1}{2}(\partial x + \overline{\partial x})<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

and
<br /> \Im{(\mathbf{N})} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{-\frac{1}{4}(\partial x - \overline{\partial x} )^2 -\frac{1}{4}(\partial z - \overline{\partial z} )^2 }} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> -\frac{1}{2i}(\partial z - \overline{\partial z}) \\<br /> \frac{1}{2i}(\partial x - \overline{\partial x})<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

So I have \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = i\omega A e^{i(\omega t + \alpha x)}. Do I now choose \partial x = 1 + i for the complex x-component? Can I see the imaginary part of the normal vector as the normal vector on the imaginary part of z? Or is my approach wrong?

Thanks!
 
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Your approach seems interesting, personally with the identification of ##\mathbb{R}^{2}## with ##\mathbb{C}## the function is ##z(x,t)=A(\cos{(\omega t+\alpha x)},\sin{(\omega t+\alpha x)})##, from ##\mathbb{R}^{2}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^{2}## and the procedure is real ... but I didn't try ... , I don't know your procedure I must examine in details but if its works its ok...
 
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Hello,

Good question ? I didn't know such a thing existed and can't find it (at least not here).
Could you tell us what you think constitutes a normal vector to a complex function ?
 
Actually the real part of N looks good (plotting it in Matlab). However, I'm not sure about my imaginary part. It's more like a trial and error approach...

To the background: I want to compute the the aerodynamic work on a traveling wave. I have a complex pressure p and surface displacement z. Therefore, I first need the aerodynamic force \textbf{f} = \oint_A p \mathbf{n} dA. My problem is now that I need a correct normal vector \mathbf{n}.

Edit: Sorry, N and n are the same...
 
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