Normalization of Radial wavefunction of hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of the radial wavefunction of the hydrogen atom, focusing on the evaluation of the normalization coefficient and the implications of phase factors in wavefunctions. Participants explore the mathematical properties of associated Laguerre polynomials and their role in the normalization process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a step-by-step guide to evaluate the normalization coefficient, suggesting the use of orthogonal properties of associated Laguerre polynomials.
  • Another participant suggests using the generating function for Laguerre polynomials and references a specific text for guidance.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the presence of a minus sign in the normalized radial wavefunction, noting discrepancies in various sources and questioning the necessity of the sign for the shape of the wavefunction.
  • It is proposed that wavefunctions are uncertain up to a phase, allowing for multiplication by -1 or any complex phase factor without affecting observables.
  • A participant presents an equation and inquires about transforming it by multiplying the right-hand side by a specific factor, questioning the implications of this transformation on the normalization process and its relation to the Condon-Shortley phase factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the minus sign in the wavefunction or the implications of multiplying by certain factors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific transformations and their effects on normalization.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the normalization coefficient and the conditions under which certain transformations are valid. The discussion highlights dependencies on definitions and interpretations of mathematical properties.

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All I need to evaluate the normalization coefficient. I need a step by step guide. It will be a great help if someone please tell me where can i get the solution (with intermediate steps). I think the solution can be done using the orthogonal properties of associated Laguerre polynomial. I need the steps. Thanks.
 

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thanks a lot. the book contains the solution. but i still have one more confusion. the radial wavefunction (normalized) in the book has a minus sign. but i found many places where the minus sign has not been included. though the probability density requires the mod square of ψ, i want to know the shape of ψ. hence, what is the real value of it? should i include minus sign?
 

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Wavefunctions are always uncertain up to a phase. So you can multiply the wavefunction by -1, or in fact by any number of the form exp(i * phi) where phi is any real value, without changing any observables.
 
i have an equation,
f(ρ) = [itex]\rho^{l+1}[/itex][itex]e^{-\rho}[/itex][itex]\upsilon(2\rho)[/itex]

i want to transform it to the following multiplying only the right hand side with [itex](-1)^{2l+1}[/itex][itex](2)^{l+1}[/itex],
f(ρ) = [itex](-1)^{2l+1}[/itex][itex](2\rho)^{l+1}[/itex][itex]e^{-\rho}[/itex][itex]\upsilon(2\rho)[/itex]

is it possible?

i want to use [itex](2\rho)^{l+1}[/itex] instead of [itex]\rho^{l+1}[/itex], because, the normalization coefficient normalizes with respect to ρ whatever the the function f(ρ) is. and [itex](2)^{l+1}[/itex] is not a function of ρ.

i want to multiply by [itex](-1)^{2l+1}[/itex], because i found that if the associated Laguerre polynomial is [itex]AL^{2l+1}_{n+l}(x)[/itex]=[itex]\frac{d^{2l+1}}{dx^{2l+1}}[/itex][itex]L^{}_{n+l}(x)[/itex]. now, in some places, i found A=1 and other places [itex]A=(-1)^{2l+1}[/itex]. besides, is it something related to Condon-Shortley Phase factor?
as after multiplyng by anything which is not a function of [itex]\rho[/itex] will still satisfy the associated laguerre differential equation, can i do this multiplication of [itex](-1)^{2l+1}[/itex][itex](2)^{l+1}[/itex]? thanks.
 
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