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The discussion revolves around a circuit involving an inductor, specifically focusing on its behavior in a mixed parallel and series configuration. Participants are exploring the dynamics of current flow before and after a switch is closed or opened, as well as the implications of using different circuit analysis techniques.

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  • Participants discuss the challenges of determining resistance values and the behavior of the inductor in various scenarios. There are inquiries about the specific formula used for current I(t) and suggestions to analyze the circuit by replacing the inductor with equivalent elements in different states.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on understanding the inductor's behavior in limiting cases. There is recognition of the need to analyze the circuit from multiple perspectives, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach or solution.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the circuit configuration, noting it involves both parallel and series elements, which complicates the analysis. There are also references to using Thevenin's theorem to derive necessary formulas.

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Homework Statement
The circuit contains an ideal battery with emf E = 30 V, a resistor R1 = 10 Ω, and a parallel
branch consisting of a resistor R2 = 20 Ω and an ideal inductor L (the inductor’s internal resistance is negligible). The branch is connected to the battery through a switch K (see Fig.)
The switch K is left open for a long time, then at t = 0 it is suddenly closed, and after a long
time it is opened again.
Find the current I20 through resistor R2:
1. immediately after the switch is closed;
2. after a sufficiently long time has passed with the switch closed;
3. immediately after the switch is opened again
Relevant Equations
I(t)=I of infinite*(1-e^(-t/tau))
I of infinite=epsilon/R
tau=L/R
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I tried to use the formula of I(t), but I can not determine the R to substitute. Also, it is the circuit of both parallel and series, so I am not sure how the current goes.
 
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You don't need any formula to answer this. You need to understand what kind of circuit element the inductor behaves as in each of the limiting cases. Before t = 0 there is no current anywhere.
  1. Immediately after the switch is closed, the inductor will oppose any current that tries to go through it so it behaves as a _________________ .
  2. After a long time with the switch closed, there is a steady current everywhere, so the inductor behaves as a _________________ .
  3. Immediately after the switch is opened again, the inductor behaves as a _________________ . (Don't forget there is a current in it up to that point.)
I suggest that you draw three separate circuit diagrams with the inductor replaced by what you put in the blanks and analyze each separately to find the current in the 20 Ω resistor.
 
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What formula did you use for I(t)?
 
kuruman said:
You don't need any formula to answer this. You need to understand what kind of circuit element the inductor behaves as in each of the limiting cases. Before t = 0 there is no current anywhere.
  1. Immediately after the switch is closed, the inductor will oppose any current that tries to go through it so it behaves as a _________________ .
  2. After a long time with the switch closed, there is a steady current everywhere, so the inductor behaves as a _________________ .
  3. Immediately after the switch is opened again, the inductor behaves as a _________________ . (Don't forget there is a current in it up to that point.)
I suggest that you draw three separate circuit diagrams with the inductor replaced by what you put in the blanks and analyze each separately to find the current in the 20 Ω resistor.
I understand now. Thank you!
 
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rickyw2777 said:
I tried to use the formula of I(t), but I can not determine the R to substitute. Also, it is the circuit of both parallel and series, so I am not sure how the current goes.
The formula can be obtained by using the Thevenin equivalent circuit at the terminals of the inductor.
 

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