Notation for basis of tangent space of manifold

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The discussion revolves around the notation for basis vectors of the tangent space of a manifold, specifically the use of ∂/∂x_i. Participants explore the reasons behind this notation, its relationship to the cotangent space, and the implications for differential forms and their interactions with tangent vectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the notation ∂/∂x_i for basis vectors of the tangent space and seek clarification on its significance.
  • One participant suggests that the notation can be interpreted as representing the directional derivative at a point on the manifold, linking it to the tangent space.
  • Another participant mentions that the tangent space can be represented as a space of partial differential operators, highlighting a distinction between the dependence of cotangent and tangent fields on their respective bases.
  • A question is raised regarding the application of differential forms to tangent vectors and the process of taking the exterior derivative of a partial differential operator.
  • There is an inquiry about whether partial differential operators can be applied to differential forms to yield real numbers, given the duality between the two spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the notation or the implications of the relationships between tangent and cotangent spaces, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the notation, the dependence of tangent and cotangent fields on their respective bases, and unresolved questions regarding the exterior derivative of partial differential operators.

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I sometimes see that the basis vectors of the tangent space of a manifold sometimes denoted as ∂/∂x_i which is the ith basis vector. what i am a little confused about is why is the basis vectors in the tangent space given that notation? is there a specific reason for it?

for example, i know that the basis vectors of the cotangent space of a manifold are denoted by dx_i which can be interpreted as the exterior derivative of the coordinate function f(x1,...,x_n) = x_i. is there something similar that allows one to make sense of the notation ∂/∂x_i?

Thanks.
 
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The notation can be interpreted as the directional derivative at a point on the image of a curve on the manifold that will, like you said, exist in the tangent space at that point.
 
demonelite123 said:
I sometimes see that the basis vectors of the tangent space of a manifold sometimes denoted as ∂/∂x_i which is the ith basis vector. what i am a little confused about is why is the basis vectors in the tangent space given that notation? is there a specific reason for it?
One of the ways to concretely represent the tangent space is as a certain space of partial differential operators.

One caveat though. While the cotangent field [itex]dx_i[/itex] depends only on the particular vector [itex]x_i[/itex], the tangent field [itex]\partial/\partial x_i[/itex] depends both on the basis and the vector.
 
thanks for your replies. another thing is that a differential form in the cotangent space is a linear function that takes a vector in the tangent space and maps it to the reals. then for a vector written in terms of the partial differential operators in the tangent space, applying the differential form to it should produce a real number. how would you take the exterior derivative of a partial differential operator though?

also, since you can apply differential forms to vectors is it true that the partial differential operators (vectors) can be applied to a differential form to get a real number since the two spaces are dual to each other?
 

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