Novice trouble modeling a system in Simulink

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling a mechanical system in Simulink, specifically addressing the representation of equations related to torque and system dynamics. Participants explore how to incorporate specific equations and functions into their model, with a focus on understanding the role of torque in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • Nick seeks guidance on how to include specific equations in his Simulink model and represents torque (tau) in the context of his mechanical system.
  • Dr.D suggests that understanding the system's context and providing a clearer description would aid in addressing Nick's questions.
  • Nick later clarifies that he believes tau represents torque and considers using a step function for its representation.
  • Another participant questions whether the tau referred to is the same as the tau-sub-tau, indicating potential confusion about the notation.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem may be closely tied to the text from which the equations are derived, implying that further reading may be necessary for clarity.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of modeling tau as a step function, particularly regarding the physical realism of the system being modeled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of tau and its representation in the model. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the modeling, and multiple interpretations of the equations and their implications remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations and figures provided are difficult to read, which may hinder understanding. There is also a suggestion that the complexity of the system may be beyond Nick's current level of experience with Simulink.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical system modeling, particularly those using Simulink, may find the discussion relevant, especially if they are navigating similar challenges with torque representation and system dynamics.

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Greetings,
For the past 5 days i have been learning how to use simulink.I decided to try and model a mechanical system described by the equations in the picture below.I provide a second picture with my work so far.A couple of questions that i have are: a)How do i include the first equation? and b) how do i represent the tau(t) in the second equation? Any suggestions about mistakes are welcome!
Thanks in advance,
Nick

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simulink2.png
 
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It would help a lot if you would tell us what this system is and perhaps present a system drawing (not just a block diagram).
Playbacknick said:
How do i include the first equation?
When you say "the first equation," I presume you are referring to eq(4.26a), in which case, the answer is that it is represented in eq(4.31b).

As to how to include tau, who knows? You have not told us what tau is.

I might also suggest that you make your first attempt to use Simulink on something much more simple, something for which you already know what to expect at every part. How about a simple spring-mass-damper system?
 
Dr.D thanks for your reply
In the following picture you can see the rotational system. Equation 4.24 describes tau.

01_rotational2dof.png


Should τ(t) be represented by a step function?
 
Eq(4.24) describes something called tau-sub-tau (or is it tau-sub-t?), but is that the same thing as plain tau? I would not expect it to be.

In Fig. 4.5, I see a tau on the end of the shaft. Who knows what this is supposed to be! (All of your text and figures are so small I can hardly read them; I'm about 4 times your age, and my eyesight is not all that great.)

I suspect that this problem is rather closely linked to the text where you found it, and consequently you are going to have to answer your own question based on re-reading the text material.
 
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Thanks again it means a lot that you devoted some of your time to reply.
My understanding is that tau is the torque and i think it is the input of the system.Assuming that, I'm going to represent as a step function and run the simulation tomorrow.
 
I would agree that your book uses tau for torque, but there seems to be more than one torque that is represented by that symbol (also tau-sub-t).

Your figure appears to show a clutch. If you think that tau is the torque through the clutch, then making it a step function amounts to snapping the clutch. Great for drag racing, but very hard on clutches!
 

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