Nuclear reactor in zero gravity

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The discussion revolves around the operation of nuclear reactors in zero gravity, particularly in the context of powering satellites. Participants explore the implications of gravity on reactor mechanics, orbital maneuvers, and the types of nuclear power systems used in space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that fission processes are unaffected by gravity, emphasizing the stochastic nature of nuclear reactions.
  • Others argue that while satellites experience reduced gravitational force in orbit, they are not in a gravity-free environment, and this affects operational considerations.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of certain reactor types, such as Boiling Water Reactors (BWR) and Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR), in zero gravity due to their reliance on gravity for liquid separation.
  • Some participants highlight that moving to a higher orbit requires significant energy, contradicting claims that such maneuvers require little power in the absence of gravity.
  • There is mention of the predominance of Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTGs) in space applications, with only a few instances of full-fledged nuclear reactors being used.
  • Discussion includes the potential for using different thermodynamic cycles in reactors, noting that lack of gravity poses challenges for two-phase cycles but not for single-phase systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of gravity on nuclear reactor operation and the energy requirements for orbital maneuvers. There is no consensus on the best approach to using nuclear power in space, and multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about reactor mechanics in zero gravity, the dependence on specific reactor designs, and unresolved discussions about energy requirements for orbital changes.

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How do nuclear reactors used to power satellites and such operate in zero gravity?
 
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Hi there,

I don't think I fully understand your question. There is absolutely no reason for heavy nuclei not to fission in zero gravity. The fission of a nucleus is a stochastic event, that depends on the potential energy of the nucleons and the nuclear strong interaction, ok mixed with a bit of quantum physics.

For powering sattelites, since they are in almost without gravity, you need very little force to correct their trajectory. Therefore, with just a little bit of power, you can deviate a satellite, and put it back into a correct trajectory.

Cheers
 
ChazH said:
How do nuclear reactors used to power satellites and such operate in zero gravity?

google "nuclear powered satellites"
here's the first hit:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/space/bennett0706.pdf

fatra2 said:
... For powering sattelites, since they are in almost without gravity, you need very little force to correct their trajectory. Therefore, with just a little bit of power, you can deviate a satellite, and put it back into a correct trajectory.

Cheers

Think of a satellite orbiting at a altitude of, say, 200 miles. The gravitational force on the satellite is (4000 / 4200)^2 or 91 percent of the force of gravity it feels at sea level. Freefall isn't the same as "no gravity."
 
gmax137 said:
Think of a satellite orbiting at a altitude of, say, 200 miles. The gravitational force on the satellite is (4000 / 4200)^2 or 91 percent of the force of gravity it feels at sea level. Freefall isn't the same as "no gravity."

Uh ! That's not true ! Locally, of course, everything in the satellite will behave as in gravity-free outer space.

Free fall IS the same as no gravity (apart from tiny tidal effects). That's what the equivalence principle is about.

I guess the OP wants to know how the mechanics of a reactor operates in "zero gravity" or "free fall". Of course it cannot be a BWR, and even a PWR would be hard to do, because you need gravity in those systems to separate vapor from liquid water (for a BWR, in the reactor vessel, and for a PWR, in the steam generators).

Also the workings of a cooling tower are probably jeopardized in space :wink:
 
What I was trying to say is, moving to a higher orbit requires nearly as much work (91% in the case of an orbit initially at 200 miles above the surface) as it does at sea level. Contrary to the previous post which says that in the absence of gravity such maneuvers require little power. Am I wrong about that?
 
Yes - maneuvers to put a satelite in a higher orbit require energy. So to move a sateleite from a 200km orbit to 400km requires almost as much energy as to move it from the ground to 200km - except for all the losses getting through the atmosphere.

But most satelite orbital maneuvers don't change the energy very much - they are to slightly shift the inclination of the orbit to put it over a new target or to avoid another object.

The bigger problem using reactors for thrust is that you still need a propellant which is used up - if you are going to use a reactor to heat an inert propellant and throw it out of the back to create thrust - you might as well just carry a chemical fuel. The exception to this is ion drive engines that expel charged ions at very high speed and so use very little propellant mass - but the thrust of these engines is to low for them to be practical for maneuvering satellites.

The main use of reactors in satelites is for low orbits where large solar panels would cause too much drag and you need a lot of power.
 
Mech_Engineer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most space-faring vehices use Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTG) rather than full-fledged nuclear fission reactors?

From what I understand, the American SNAP-10A and Soviet RORSAT are the only fully-fledged nuclear reactors ever launched.
Correct. Nuclear power systems in space are typically RTGs, which have traditionally used isotopic decay, e.g. alpha decay of Pu-238 as a heat source.

The thermal to electrical conversion is accomplished by thermoelectric systems which are solid state, so lack of gravity is not an issue. One could use single phase cycles like a Brayton cycle, and likewise, lack of gravity is not an issue.

If one wishes to use a two-phase cycle like the Rankine cycle, it's possible, but requires a clever design to deal with the lack of bouyancy in the absence of gravity. One could spin the part of the vehicle with the power plant in order to induce 'artificial' gravity, but then one must consider the v2/r relationship.

Out in space, radiation or radiative heat transfer is the process by which heat is rejected from the system to the environment.
 
gmax137 said:
What I was trying to say is, moving to a higher orbit requires nearly as much work (91% in the case of an orbit initially at 200 miles above the surface) as it does at sea level. Contrary to the previous post which says that in the absence of gravity such maneuvers require little power. Am I wrong about that?

Ah, sorry, I thought you made the silly mistake of Jules Verne :smile:
 

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