Nuclear Shell model, how do we know energy levels?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of energy levels in the nuclear shell model, focusing on the quantum numbers l and n, and the emergence of magic numbers. Participants explore the theoretical framework and mathematical approaches used to understand these energy levels, including the effects of spin-orbit coupling and potential models.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how energy levels in the nuclear shell model are classified and whether there is a formula that predicts these groupings, particularly before and after considering spin-orbit coupling.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between nuclear physics and atomic physics, explaining that nucleons move in a potential created by other nucleons, leading to the appearance of quantum levels.
  • It is suggested that mean field theory can be applied to nucleons, resulting in a central potential problem that can be solved using various potential shapes, such as the Woods-Saxon potential or square well.
  • A participant mentions that while the first few energy levels can be calculated using simple potential models, larger magic numbers are more complex due to adjustments in the potential with additional nucleons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the classification of energy levels and the complexity of calculating magic numbers, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the exact formulas or methods for predicting energy levels and magic numbers, as well as the dependence on the chosen potential models.

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One of my 'course aims' is to be able to classify the shell model energy levels in terms of quantum numbers l and n and explain how magic numbers arise.

I'm using this to help to understand it as well as lecture notes. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/shell.html

I know that l is the 'letter' in the energy states (s=0, p=1 etc) and n is the number (as in lowest s level is 1, second lowest 2 etc).

The energy levels are split into groups, but how are these groups actually decided? Is there some formula which predicts this? (I'm on about both the energy levels before and after spin orbit coupling)

Thanks
 
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It's basically the same process as in atomic physics. In atomic physics you have all electrons moving in a central potential caused by the nucleus. This causes the different quantum levels to appear.

In nuclear physics you can do the same. It is possible to use mean field theory on all the nucleons. This means that every nucleon moves in a potential caused by all the other nucleons. Averaging this for every nucleon gives a very different, but still central, potential problem. This can be solved assuming some shapes for the potential like Woods Saxon potential or square well. Again some quantum levels appear for the nucleons. That's why it is called the nuclear shell model.
 
Thanks guys, I guess I'll just learn the splitting of the first few levels so I can draw the diagram if required.
 
The first levels are easily calculated using simple potential models. The larger magic number are harder, because for more nucleons the potential gets adjusted and so do the magic numbers if you use a simple harmonic oscillator for example.
 

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