Number Derivative: A General Pursuit

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter dodo
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Derivative
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the concept of "number derivative" and its relation to the traditional real derivative, emphasizing the importance of the Leibniz rule in defining derivatives. The author argues that any function satisfying the Leibniz rule, such as f(ab) = a f(b) + b f(a), can be considered a derivative without needing to define specific cases like f(p) = 1 for prime p. The conversation highlights that while the number derivative is an interesting pursuit, it may lead to an overwhelming number of derivatives unless additional conditions are imposed for specific applications.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Leibniz rule in calculus
  • Familiarity with the concept of derivatives in mathematical analysis
  • Knowledge of Lie algebra and Jacobi identity
  • Basic grasp of number theory and prime factorization
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore advanced applications of the Leibniz rule in various mathematical contexts
  • Study the properties and implications of Lie multiplication in algebra
  • Investigate the relationship between number theory and calculus
  • Learn about the generalizations of derivatives in different mathematical frameworks
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, students of advanced calculus, researchers in number theory, and anyone interested in the theoretical foundations of derivatives.

dodo
Messages
695
Reaction score
2
There is something I don't understand about the recent concept of a "number derivative". It seems to me that the (very illusorious) 'relation' to the real derivative is driving the interest, while a more general pursuit should be in place.

I mean, any function satisfying the Leibniz rule, f(ab) = a f(b) + b f(a) will comply with the following,
[tex] \begin{array}{ll}<br /> \bullet & f(a^n) = n a^{n-1} f(a) \\<br /> \bullet & f(n) = n \sum_{i=1}^k e_i \frac{f(p_i)}{p_i} \,, \quad<br /> \mbox{where } n = p_1^{e_1} p_2^{e_2} ... p_k^{e_k}<br /> \end{array}[/tex]
without any need of defining f(p) = 1 for p prime, which is just a particular case.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Anytime when "derivative" is used, it is basically the Leibniz rule. It is the essence of considering derivatives, since it gives instructions how multiplication turns into addition, and linearization is why we consider derivatives in the first place.

Now your specific example is defined to investigate a specific area, which means that additional conditions might be useful for certain purposes. Otherwise there might be too many derivatives to be of use. Will say: this is an arbitrary condition for this specific case.

E.g. Lie multiplication is a "derivative", too. It obeys the Leibniz rule, which is called Jacobi identity in this case. However, we also demand ##[X,X]=0##.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
5K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K